Lore talk:Mehrunes Dagon

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[edit] Dagon's plot

This is what the article previously said: "The cult believed in Dagon so deeply that they assassinated the Emperor and three of his heirs to bring about Dagon's coming. The cult did eventually grab the attention of Dagon, who helped them to open Oblivion gates across Cyrodiil."

I believe that the events of Oblivion were in a way a revisiting of Battlespire's theme. Mankar Camoran can claim whatever he wants, but it seems clear that Mehrunes Dagon is running the show here. I also think that what I've got here could be further improved with a better discussion of the relationship between Dagon and the Mythic Dawn... --Edwin Herdman 04:51, 24 March 2007 (EDT)

[edit] strategy guide

Could the statement sourced to the strategy guide please be a verbatim, cited quote, if it isn't one already?Temple-Zero 12:15, 21 June 2009 (EDT)

Actually, I was debating whether or not it should be kept within the article, as it only explains more than what is needed. --Mr. Oblivion^(T-C) 16:08, 21 June 2009 (EDT)

It sounds too much like speculation atm, so I'll remove it unless it is sourced and quoted.74.65.142.202 11:23, 22 June 2009 (EDT)

It is sourced and quoted; however, the validity of the statement and the need for it are under review. Please don't remove it yet. --Mr. Oblivion^(T-C) 11:26, 22 June 2009 (EDT)

I mean with verbatim quotations and a footnote.74.65.142.202 13:32, 22 June 2009 (EDT)

I just ordered the strategy guide (something I've been meaning to do for a while, completist that I am). Please leave the quote there for now until I can find the proper page and context. –Rpeh^{•T•C•E•} 13:41, 22 June 2009 (EDT)

Or ask Dstebbins for help, he put it in. (I'm automatically logged in, I'm logged out, it changes every visit)Temple-Zero 19:28, 22 June 2009 (EDT)

We will just wait for someone with the guide to input. --Mr. Oblivion^(T-C) 19:32, 22 June 2009 (EDT)

(outdent) The quote comes from the introduction, on pages 4-5 of the guide. This is the paragraph in full (I think Fair Use applies here!)

Why? Well, in a manner of speaking, because this god-like entity can't do his nasty thing in his own house. Imagine being the Lord of Destruction and forced to live in a realm where you can't destroy anything in a permanent sense. (Every loose Daedric soul slips down the cosmic drain and is eventually recycled.) In comparatively fragile Tamriel, Dagon's basest instincts—his only instincts, we suspect—can get a real workout. Here, people die and do not come back. Even emperors can be removed. Cities can be blasted into ruins. A whole civilization potentially laid waste.

I'm torn on this one. On the "no" side, it's speculative at best and suggesting that Dagon broke the pact between the Tribunal and the Daedra just on a whim is unlikely. On the "yes" side, it's in an official book and does at least provide an explanation. Other thoughts? –Rpeh^{•T•C•E•} 16:35, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

I don't like it. It does seem speculative at best, and even if it is an official book, the way it is written seems less than stellar. It seems too fantasy as well. We can do without it (and the quote that was added to the page). --Mr. Oblivion^(T-C) 16:46, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

I think using a strategy guide for lore is almost a contradiction in terms anyways. Do we know who wrote it? If it was a Prima guide or an equivalent, Bethesda had no hand in it. It is somewhat difficult to speculate on the motives of alien beings. Why does a destroyer need a motive for destroying? If you wonder why Dagon picked Nirn, Nirn is the Arena, neutral ground where opposite forces meet, and the land of his enemies, Akatosh and the Septims. These reasons are well-documented.Temple-Zero 21:36, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Etymology

In the main page its stated that his name could have been taken from the literary works of H. P. Lovecraft however there happens to be a Semitic god with the same name, it could be that his name is taken from that god or H. P. Lovecraft took the name of that god and in turn the developers copied Lovecraft. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dagon