User talk:The Silencer

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PS3 bug

If I removed a recent bug that you have added about water on the PS3, it is because it a general bug that affects all water. The solution is;

• Delete update and game data in the Game Data Utility
• Redownload the update and reinstall the data

The game should now work normally with better visuals underwater. The Silencer has spoken 22:02, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

Congratulations!

You have been given a gold star! Congratulations with the successful patroller nomination - and welcome to the team! --Krusty (talk) 15:52, 2 December 2012 (GMT)

Congratulations, Silencer!--Skyrimplayer (talk) 15:53, 2 December 2012 (GMT)

Congrats, Silencer! :P ~ Psylocke 16:25, 2 December 2012 (GMT)

Thankyou all, even the evil evilness. Silence is Golden^{Break the Silence} 16:34, 2 December 2012 (GMT)

Congratulations! Now, get to work! I just got the first Modern Warfare, Doom 3, and Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic on sale, so I definitely won't be paying attention to the wiki, and somebody needs to pic up my slack ;) ES^{(talk•email)} 16:40, 2 December 2012 (GMT)

Congratulations, Silencer!--Br3admax (talk) 16:45, 2 December 2012 (GMT)

Welcome to the team! Oh and Psylocke: love the unpatrolled ! you put in. Cute. – Robin Hood↝talk 17:54, 2 December 2012 (GMT)

There's something a little disturbing to me about pinning gold stars on people, but congrats! Minor Edits^{Threats•Evidence} 19:41, 2 December 2012 (GMT)

(←) Yay! Way to go, have fun officially patrolling! — ABCface^◥ 21:50, 2 December 2012 (GMT)

Dragonborn Prepared

That's a brilliant idea, preparing news stories in advance. I was honestly getting ready to do that, coming to the same idea myself. What better way to make sure news gets out in time, then writing news pieces in advance? We should make note to prepare news pieces in advance for known releases whenever we can, so they'll be ready and polished for when the time comes. Kudos. --AKB ^{Talk Cont Mail} 19:57, 3 December 2012 (GMT)

I assumed this was standard practice and just wanted to be prepared. Silence is Golden^{Break the Silence} 20:08, 3 December 2012 (GMT)

Surprisingly, no. We didn't even have a news piece for Skyrim's release until 11/11/11. In the future, we should definitely be doing this. --AKB ^{Talk Cont Mail} 20:16, 3 December 2012 (GMT)

Black Books

It appears that the Black Books are both items, and quests. The books suck you into the Mora's Plane of Oblivion. They seem to be a bit cut and paste, they all have the same stages, just with the relevant book name taking its place. Like with Untold Legends

Stage 10: I read the Black Book called "Untold Legends", and found myself in Hermaeus Mora's realm of Apocrypha. I should uncover the knowledge hidden here, or read the book again to escape.

Stage 20: I uncovered the hidden knowledge contained in the Black Book "Untold Legends".

That's how they all go. I'm unsure of what rewards they give, if any. The books need to be moved, and a disambiguation page set up for the quest and book. --AKB ^{Talk Cont Mail} 01:09, 5 December 2012 (GMT)

If the quest is identically named then a disambig is the way to go. Silence is Golden^{Break the Silence} 01:12, 5 December 2012 (GMT)

They are identical, all named after their book. --AKB ^{Talk Cont Mail} 01:14, 5 December 2012 (GMT)

I'll set them up then. Silence is Golden^{Break the Silence} 01:17, 5 December 2012 (GMT)

"Bad Form?"

I'm taking this off the egg talk page, since this is between the two of us and that page doesn't need any more clutter than it already has. I really just wanted to say this: Please don't preach to me. I've been on this site longer than you, and patroller or no, you don't speak down to me, especially when I've done nothing wrong. Dismissing my grounds for opposition of something that had (however briefly) already been discussed isn't exactly taking the moral high ground either, and it doesn't help when you incorrectly dismiss the previous discussion as "barely relevant". Now that I've said that, let's move on and forget this happened, m'kay? ThuumofReason (talk) 19:33, 17 December 2012 (GMT)

The scene from Star Wars was linked to a different thing in that section, this is about a different scene in Skyrim. It warrants a new section, untainted by previous links. You have previously told people to check the archives and been wrong. In future you could add a link to the relevant archive section so you won't be told you are wrong again. Dismissing things out of hand is a peculiar trait, and I could easily bring up many posts that simply say "not an egg", or words to that effect. My position as patroller, or someone having been on the site for longer than me has nothing to do with anything, and I have no intention of bowing to someone who I believe to be wrong simply due to position or elder status. That would be far more detrimental to the wiki than starting a discussion. Silence is Golden^{Break the Silence} 19:55, 17 December 2012 (GMT)

Who's asking you to bow to anybody? I'm asking you to not put down my rationale, and furthermore I'm trying to ask you politely not to lecture me. Your choice of words made it seem very much like you were lecturing me or rebuking me, which I do not believe is called for. The point is, you don't need to say something is "in bad form" to someone who knows that very well, and in doing so, you come across as snobby. I believe you once posted something on my talk page to the effect of "Don't Template the Regulars", well it's the same principle here (and similar circumstances; I'm not sure I was as in error as much as you seem to think either then or now). As for "dismissing things out of hand", that was not what I was doing, nor do I understand why you are convinced that that was what I WAS doing. I gave several reasons for my disagreement, one of which was the link to the previous discussion. You say that I have previously told people in error to check the archives, which I have no recollection of doing. Maybe I forgot, I admit it's possible, but I would very much like to see examples of this if you can provide them; again, I think you and I have different opinions on what constitutes me being "in error". ThuumofReason (talk) 21:25, 17 December 2012 (GMT)

He has every right (some may argue an obligation) to "put down" your rationale and/or the way you handle others on the talk page if he disagrees with your reasoning or methods. You're essentially asking him to bow down (i.e. defer) to you by telling him not to do so. I don't know what your intent was, but just so you're aware, very little of your comment struck me as "polite". You said please, sure, but then followed it up with the order "don't speak down to me", at the time trying to pull rank on him, as if your opinion merits more deference due to the date on which you created your account. By the way, you've only been here about three months longer, and he has thousands more contributions than you, so I don't think it's a road you want to go down. On top of all that, you created this as an aside to the talk page discussion, yet you impliedly continued that discussion when you said he "incorrectly" dismissed the previous discussion (while at the same time misquoting him). If this is really just between the two of you, leave the arguing about the subject on the talk page. And that "m'kay" comes off as very patronizing, which seems to be exactly what you're accusing him of. Your objective here doesn't seem to be to quell squabbling, but rather, to "speak down to" Silencer in the same way you perceived he did to you. Basically, your initial comment should've ended three sentences earlier. If all you really wanted to say was "Please don't preach to me", you should've stopped there. Minor Edits^{Threats•Evidence} 21:49, 17 December 2012 (GMT)

Well, that wasn't my intent, and I apologize if it came across that way. I don't "pull rank" when I have none to speak of, and even if I did, I wouldn't go around flaunting it like I was better than everybody else. That is not how I do things, and if that's how (either of) you took it, I apologize. If my comment struck you as being rather perturbed, that would be because it was. I merely wanted him to not call me out on something when he apparently misunderstood my intent in disagreeing with adding that egg. On that note, I would like to know specifically what about my comment on the eggs page was so against site policies that it merited being called out on, as I'm still not quite clear on that. If he disagrees with my reasoning or methods on a personal level, that's his right, but I still don't believe anybody has the right to say someone is wrong because their opinions are different, and that's what I perceive it as being. If my comment WAS against some rule or policy, that would be different, but I fail to see, nor has it been explained to me, how it was. As for the "m'kay" bit, I'm afraid that's no more than a mannerism of speech for me, but if it really bothers you, Minor, I'll stop using it. ThuumofReason (talk) 23:47, 17 December 2012 (GMT)

No worries; it doesn't bother me. I just thought you should know, for people my age, at least, that phrase is associated with Bill Lumbergh (sp) from Office Space and Counselor Mackey from South Park, both of whom are patronizing authority figures who talk down to their subordinates. When you used it above, that's the connotation it held for me.

Sometimes it's not about policy, just about content. But I can't speak for Silencer. Minor Edits^{Threats•Evidence} 00:18, 18 December 2012 (GMT)

Then I'd like to get his input before I say any more. ThuumofReason (talk) 00:22, 18 December 2012 (GMT)

File:Krinkle RTRC.js

Hi Silencer! File:Krinkle RTRC.js is showing up in wanted files, and apparently it's coming from your common.js. Is this something you're planning to upload sometime soon? If not, can you remove it without ruining your script? Thanks :). ⇠eshe^talk 14:55, 18 December 2012 (GMT)

I copied it verbatim from the user on wikimedia, they ask for it to be left in for usage statistics. I checked that list on wikimedia and it cannot detect other sites where it is used, so I removed it, and it still works. What it does is create a pop-up when you hover over a link, and you can preview the changes without opening the link. Silence is Golden^{Break the Silence} 19:43, 18 December 2012 (GMT)

Oh, neato! Thanks for taking care of it :). ⇠eshe^talk 19:46, 18 December 2012 (GMT)

Patrolling

Hey Silencer! Thanks for keeping an eye on the RC lately. I've just noticed a couple of things I wanted to mention (nothing serious, just kind of a heads-up). First, please be careful about calling things "nonsense" in your edit summaries. Some of the edits you've called nonsense were really just good-faith attempts to add content, and it's important that we not chase away potential new editors. In a couple of those cases, it looks like the content really was worth saving and just needed a bit of attention. If you run across edits like that and don't feel like re-writing them yourself, just leave it for another patroller (or add a cleanup tag if it was a lot of content). Someone will get to it eventually!

Also, when people post comments on the wrong talk pages or on articles, the most helpful thing to do is to move that comment to the correct talk page (and leave a note with the {{Discussion moved}} template if necessary). At least that way the question is still preserved somewhere, in case someone else is able to help out with whatever the problem was.

Anyway, like I said, it's nothing major, but with so few people doing regular patrolling nowadays it really helps when everyone is thorough ;). Thanks a bunch! ⇠eshe^talk 23:29, 22 December 2012 (GMT)

Are you referring to my use of "nonsensical" as term for undoing edits. If that is the case, I use it in the definition of lacking the ability to be understood (i.e. lacking sense), such as this edit where I used other words. It is hard to understand; I can guess at the meaning, but I am not going to take responsibility for making it clearer, when it lacks the links to make that possible. Thus I would be putting words into someone's mouth, and possibly turning it into false info. Nonsense is different and I make that distinction when I revert.

In terms of moving questions to talk pages, I have done so before and will do again. My opinion on the matter is that if the person believes it to be of importance, they will come back and make a similar enquiry somewhere. Plus we should not be moving all of them, thus encouraging laziness, and bad editing. I try to make judgment calls on these though, as some are of more importance than others. Silence is Golden^{Break the Silence} 23:57, 22 December 2012 (GMT)

I understand that you didn't mean the "nonsense" thing to be offensive, but still, people don't often take it well, and it's something that we try to avoid when possible. Also, I know it can sometimes to tough to decide whether an edit is useful but needs cleanup or if it's just not adding anything to the article. The edit you cited above was probably the latter, but this edit just needed a little work, assuming it's true (but a {{vn}} would take care of that pretty quickly).

The same pretty much applies with questions that have been posted on the wrong page. There are some questions that clearly don't need to be moved (such as nonsense/forum-like posts or questions that have already been answered, in which case you could just point out where the answer is in your edit summary). I was referring specifically to this edit; it sounds like the person who posted it was having a legitimate issue. If it's worth mentioning in your edit summary to take it to a talk page, it's worth taking the time to assume the person doesn't know better and move it yourself. Remember, not everyone is as comfortable with navigating our site or with our policies as we are, some people have never used a wiki before, and many don't speak English as a first language. We're here to help if we can, easy as that :). ⇠eshe^talk 00:21, 23 December 2012 (GMT)

Happy Birthday!

You have been given a Sweet Roll! Happy Birthday! — Kimi the Elf (talk | contribs) 01:16, 23 December 2012 (GMT)

Have a merry birthday, Silencer! And I have but one question:Can I have some of that of sweetroll?!--Skyrimplayer (talk) 01:21, 23 December 2012 (GMT)

Hey Silencer, happy birthday! If you're bothered by being a year older, you should've worked harder to make yesterday's predictions come true! :Þ – Robin Hood TALK 03:01, 23 December 2012 (GMT)

Happy birthday! --Xyzzy ^Talk 04:02, 23 December 2012 (GMT)

Happy happy birthday! :) — ABCface^◥ 18:44, 23 December 2012 (GMT)

(←) Thanks all of you. I was busy attempting overdue maintenance on my worldwide Silencer bomb, but to no avail. You shall hear from me tomorrow, as long as the world isn't silenced. Silence is Golden^{Break the Silence} 23:48, 23 December 2012 (GMT)

sic

please don't change this, cause although we don't talk about the wiki, we like to pretend that we do [sic]. Jeancey (talk) 20:46, 23 December 2012 (GMT)

It was deliberate... really. Silence is Golden^{Break the Silence} 20:51, 23 December 2012 (GMT)

Father of the Niben

To be honest, the name of the page should be moved. It isn't capitalized in the actual title of the book, just the page. In fact, the lore article isn't capitalized, but the oblivion and skyrim ones are. Jeancey (talk) 22:03, 23 December 2012 (GMT)

I don't know for sure what the capitalization was in Oblivion, but it's capitalized in Skyrim. So no, it should stay where it is in Skyrim, and be capitalized when mentioned. The title on the first page isn't capitalized though, but that's another story. Silence is Golden^{Break the Silence} 22:10, 23 December 2012 (GMT)

It is capitalized in the inventory (just tested it ingame), book page names use inventory names. --Alfwyn (talk) 22:12, 23 December 2012 (GMT)

Hmm... Then the issue is with the lore page not being capitalized? Jeancey (talk) 22:13, 23 December 2012 (GMT)

Depends on the inventory name in Oblivion, if someone feels like firing it up. Silence is Golden^{Break the Silence} 22:14, 23 December 2012 (GMT)

Already playing it. Give me a few minutes to go find it. Jeancey (talk) 22:15, 23 December 2012 (GMT)

It's "Father Of The Niben" in Oblivion. Minor Edits^{Threats•Evidence} 22:17, 23 December 2012 (GMT)

(←) It looks like the inventory name is capitalized, and the name in the text of the book is not. So should the NAME of the lore page be changed, and the text stay the same? Jeancey (talk) 22:20, 23 December 2012 (GMT)

Yes. Minor Edits^{Threats•Evidence} 01:13, 29 December 2012 (GMT)

PSNProfiles

Just a quick question, how did you get your PSNProfiles profile image on your userpage? - Cheezytrousers (talk) 21:28, 5 January 2013 (GMT)

It's not a PSNProfile one, it's from a different site. The PSN site offers a link for "embedding" on your page, find that and hey presto! Silence is Golden^{Break the Silence} 21:33, 5 January 2013 (GMT)

Babette edit

The edit about Babette is, in my opinion, noteworthy for this reason right here. See, it's a HUGE missed opportunity on Bethesda's part. Generic things are fine.

Does this help explain why its so noteworthy?70.178.75.95 19:47, 6 January 2013 (GMT)

Because it would need added to every single Altmer and Dunmer page that we don't know the birth date of. And as you've said, it's your opinion that it's a missed opportunity, not a factual thing. Yes she may have been around, but that doesn't mean she was willing to be found. An unexplained absence from previous games is not in any way noteworthy. Silence is Golden^{Break the Silence} 19:57, 6 January 2013 (GMT)

(edit conflict) I think the (currently) final response in that thread really sums up the reasoning. Babette is only one of dozens of characters, perhaps more, who would have memories of that time. It's unfortunate that Skyrim doesn't include oral history more, but the only thing that makes Babette stand out when it comes to the long-lived people is that she appears to be a child. No doubt many of the other vampires would have the same insights.

UESP generally tries to document what is, not what could have been. About the only time we might document someone not talking about something is if it were notable in the sense that every other vampire/elf/whatever talked about the days of Arena, but Babette didn't. That would be a discrepancy, and therefore noteworthy. – Robin Hood  ^(talk) 20:03, 6 January 2013 (GMT)

Unmarked Places ... of My Soul

Did I say thanks for your input and research on names for the SR unmarked places page (Pinewatch: Bandit Camp)? Because I don't like saying "thanks", so maybe not. I'm not even saying thanks here. Just wondering if I did. And it's a rhetorical question, so I'm not seeking an answer, and in fact prefer not to receive one. I don't think loading up talk pages with personal stuff is cool. --JR (talk) 04:27, 12 January 2013 (GMT)

Well thanks, for um... not saying thanks? The actual name given by the guide is "Bandit Bridge: Pinewatch" though, so it might need changed. Silence is Golden^{Break the Silence} 16:36, 12 January 2013 (GMT)

Don't try to change the subj--- wha??? OK. I'll fix that before it makes you look too bad. --JR (talk) 17:54, 12 January 2013 (GMT)

Thanks!

You saw the mistake before I had a chance to review my edits! Thanks for catching that!! I'm not sure how this happens! (It happened once yesterday too). Jeancey (talk) 17:12, 13 January 2013 (GMT)

I refreshed, I saw, I fixed. Hail me! Silence is Golden^{Break the Silence} 17:16, 13 January 2013 (GMT)

Help me with Quest template which calls for radiant locations

Hi Silencer - you just undid my edit on Skyrim:Rings_of_Blood_Magic page that added Notes section and information regarding a radiant location because it was too specific. Just so you know, I looked at the Quest template which wants radiant locations noted. I added note to help others to be aware they will have to do another quest to complete (as I am doing now). Also, to forewarn folks they will need the sword if they already completed Red Eagle quest and sold sword as I usually do. In other words, this wasn't a quick quest as most radiant quests are for me. I would have added radiant locations as Quest template requests but do not know all of them nor the method for finding that information. I did not see the location page you mention in your edit undo note - where is it? Maeve4444 (talk) 00:59, 14 January 2013 (GMT)

Duh - I'll bet you meant the Rebel Cairn's page when you said location page. Still think folks should be forewarned about sword though. Maeve4444 (talk) 01:07, 14 January 2013 (GMT)

(edit conflict) The location is Rebel's Cairn, and in the notes, though quite small, is a note about being sent there on a radiant quest. Here is a list of all the dungeons (some need omitted if they have the Dwarven Ruins keyword) that the quest can send you to, quite large as you can see. Thus notes on individual pages with a small chance of being picked shouldn't be added. Feel free to make the note on the location stand out a little more though. Silence is Golden^{Break the Silence} 01:11, 14 January 2013 (GMT)

Wow - list is huge. To make sure I understand, let me ask - the Rings of Blood Magic quest can send you to any of those locations on that list? Wow - again. So why do some faction radiant quests only have specific locations and this one used the whole world (I can understand why for Thieves Guild)? Is this the way Dawnguard DLC was implemented? BTW - I looked at the note about being sent to Rebel's Cairn for radiant quest. It made it's point and not sure how to make it stand out more. I'll think on that one and let you know if I edit. Maeve4444 (talk) 03:52, 14 January 2013 (GMT)

Some quests search for boss chests or boss NPCs, some look for two keywords (such as dungeon and cave). Most of those locations can be chosen, I'm sure there are a few that are also Dwarven ruins, which are omitted, but it is a big list. Silence is Golden^{Break the Silence} 04:04, 14 January 2013 (GMT)

Hi, Silencer - took a shot at the Rebel's Cairn radiant quest note to make it stand out. Take a look, please. Maeve4444 (talk) 05:18, 14 January 2013 (GMT)

Hi again - I've realized you meant the "Skyrim Radiant Quest Note". I noticed it after I edited Rebel's Cairn Notes section regarding sword (this is the edit I refer to above). I did not see it before and understand what you mean by it doesn't stand out. I think upper case "NOTE" or italicized font would help. FYI - That note's link to list of radiant quests with huge number of possible locations does not include the DG DLC radiant quests. I've added a request for them to be added to list on talk page. It was fun to learn all this, thank you for the help :) Maeve4444 (talk) 06:00, 14 January 2013 (GMT)

Task List

I would just like to point out that at the bottom of the task list it says "Any editor can add a task to the page: if there's something that you think needs to be done on the site, add it! If you're not sure about your idea or would like feedback, add it to the talk page and ask for other editors to provide their opinion." So that editor was perfectly justified in adding it to the page. Jeancey (talk) 02:27, 16 January 2013 (GMT)

Yes, a task, not a suggestion of adding something entirely new to the way Lore NPC pages are set up. Silence is Golden^{Break the Silence} 02:29, 16 January 2013 (GMT)

Skyrim fast travel out of Pelagius mind

Silencer is there really no option if you fast travel out of pelagius mind other than starting over? Thanks in advance 68.3.198.75 19:56, 16 January 2013 (GMT)

Only if your on the PC and can identify the script in the quest that stops interactions with objects. You could end the quest via setstaging, but that might be too late. Beyond this, there are no other options to restoring the game to its fullness. Silence is Golden^{Break the Silence} 20:03, 16 January 2013 (GMT)

Undo Edit - Easter Egg

While yes the Easter Egg was on the page, it is better to say that rather than undo an edit and leave a summary as most people won't check to see where there comment went, they'll simply put the comment back. Thanks for pointing out that it was already on there. Turn's out when I tried using the ctrl+f search I misspelled Babette the first time. Guess I was a little too hyped when I saw Babette in-game. An alternative would have been to leave a note on my talk page. Mikeyboy52 (talk) 08:07, 20 January 2013 (GMT)

Half of the archives are people proposing the same eggs again and again. It's bad enough when an egg has already been rejected, never mind when it's already on the page. Simply checking the page for the correct spelling of Babette is not my problem, though if you'd checked the table of contents you should have seen "Interview of a Vampire" up there, as with all our eggs, we title them by what they reference, not what the egg in-game is. Silence is Golden^{Break the Silence} 22:01, 20 January 2013 (GMT)

Abandoned Lodge Edit (Thanks)

Thanks for the header edit, I was on my way back to that when I noticed it was removed already by you. sneaky bastard :P. Wasn't sure if i had used ' or = in the end after making the edit and went elsewhere when it dawned on me. Thanks again. ᴷᴬᴸᴯᴵᴻᵀᴵ□ᴻ 00:57, 12 February 2013 (GMT)

Ah, yes. Frequently when I refresh the recent changes after doing some things I don't notice that although the edit is a few places down the list it was still only done in the last minute. Also I see you have joined the legions of users who's signatures are usually longer than their posts in terms of characters :p Silence is Golden^{Break the Silence} 01:01, 12 February 2013 (GMT)

Ye, I am probably going to change that again. While i enjoy the design, the amount of information needed for it is ungodly large. Wish more people used the latest and greatest browsers, I'd just use inline css and gradient properties to set it up, but noooo, backward compatibility and what not! ᴷᴬᴸᴯᴵᴻᵀᴵ□ᴻ 01:51, 12 February 2013 (GMT)

I wasn't criticizing or having a go, just poking a little. No need to change it on my behalf. With a little imagination/creativity you can make all sorts of things happen to your signature, pity I don't have much in that department, but then I'm happy enough with my signature. Silence is Golden^{Break the Silence} 01:55, 12 February 2013 (GMT)

I didn't take it as such, nor am i taking it as now. I simply believe just because I wanted a signature to look nice, there is no reason for it take a large block of text for it happen. It makes some editing of talk pages very confusing if you don't know where something starts and something ends. I created a new one, probably going to edit some, but for now it is the way it is, and less cumbersome to a page. ᴷᴬᴸᴯᴵᴻᵀᴵ□ᴻ 02:12, 12 February 2013 (GMT)

PS3 v1.8 bugs

RE "looks like a one-off glitch, all spells work fine for me" from 00:51, 12 February 2013‎ update

Patch version 1.8 may have introduced a bug so the player cannot cast predetermined duration spells. Altering system-controls and options did not fix this issue. Starting a new game showed issue was still presented and not due to save data data. Unverified: deleting game data for all downloaded patches and re-installing.

• Doubt one off issue because save game, settings/options, starting a new game, and deleting all game data and reinstalling did not fix this bug.
• Perhaps console specific

^{QuNybble talk 1826, 11Feb2013(MDT)}

Not console specific because I checked on my PS3 as soon as I saw it, as I was playing the game at the time. Exactly which spells don't work would help, as I didn't test them all, just one of each type, bound, conjure, armor, etc . Silence is Golden^{Break the Silence} 01:32, 12 February 2013 (GMT)

Still no luck - it appears to be any spell that takes a charge up time i.e. iron flesh, muffle, bound bow. Im updating my PS3 system currently, and resetting all controller settings. Thanks for the help and tweeking my posts as always! ^{QuNybble talk 2151, 11Feb2013(MDT)}

All three of those spells work for me, and I tried a few Master level spells which take even longer to charge, they work. Sorry that something has broken it in your game/disc. Silence is Golden^{Break the Silence} 13:14, 12 February 2013 (GMT)

10k Club

No-one seems to have noticed so I'm acknowledging myself here. Yeah, cold pizza and warm beer. Silence is Golden^{Break the Silence} 22:30, 12 February 2013 (GMT)

Hey, I just noticed, and was about to say something when I saw you'd already done so. Congrats! (I believe I may have been the first on this site to actually coin the term "10k Club" - forget if it was for Elliot or Legoless.) TheRealLurlock (talk) 23:14, 12 February 2013 (GMT)

I only look at that list about once a month. Congrats! – Robin Hood  ^(talk) 04:14, 13 February 2013 (GMT)

You have been given a gold star! Sure, let's say it's for the milestone, but actually it's for the stone you've tied around our hearts as a community.

--JR (talk) 09:07, 13 February 2013 (GMT)

Lore page transclusion

Hi, I was wondering if you would be able to tell me how one determines how much of a lore page should be transcluded into those other pages to which they are transcluded. For example: Lore:House Telvanni is currently transcluded down to, and including, ...wizards did not fear vampires nearly as much as others did.. This results in a good amount of information transcluded to MW:House Telvanni, but a comparatively long entry in Lore:Factions H. On the other hand, Lore:House Redoran is only transcluded as far as ...Gnisis, which {{MWTense}} rented to the Imperial Legions. This gives a concise entry in Lore:Factions H, but means the info about the house on MW:House Redoran is quite short. To be consistent, either the amount translcuded from House Telvanni should be reduced to just the introductory paragraphs, or the House Redoran transclusion should be extended to ...moved the council to Ald'ruhn as a result. How should this be determined? Is it reasonable to transclude the shorter version and add a link to the main Lore page "for more information"? --Enodoc (talk) 22:49, 20 February 2013 (GMT)

It's a judgement call really, based I would say, mostly on the available information on the subject. The minimum limit to me would be that what is transcluded sums up the subject wholly, yet concisely. Just on Telvanni, I personally would move the last transcluded paragraph above the 3rd and 4th ones, and omit them. They go into detail about other things than what the House "is". I'm not really a loremaster though, I do edit the space, and think I know quite a bit, but I have yet to actually write a lore article that isn't just taking what is written elsewhere, so someone else may have a better idea than me. Silence is Golden^{Break the Silence} 23:04, 20 February 2013 (GMT)

OK cool, thanks. --Enodoc (talk) 23:41, 20 February 2013 (GMT)

Hello and thank you!

grr! It's not letting me post my message, claiming I'm advertising & spamming :( Thank you for your welcome still. A goat on a boat (talk) 20:29, 22 February 2013 (GMT)

uugh, I finally was able to post my message! When I attempted to reply to your message on my talk page, it told me I was spamming, but it appears to have allowed me post it as a new section. Anyway, there it is. Is there anyway you can disable that spam filter on my account? I'm not going to be very likely to try to develop this spreadsheet here if it keeps kicking out my changes like this :( A goat on a boat (talk) 20:36, 22 February 2013 (GMT)

Hi Goat. In the course of your last few edits you should have managed to create the right parameters to bypass the filter yourself. You need 10 edits over 4 days to be "autoconfirmed". The tenth edit was the first small edit above, and your account is well over 4 days old. There should be no problems from that filter anymore. If you're wondering why it's so strict, it has blocked over 500 spam edits in the last two days. This is the extent of our spam problem, and I hope you understand why it needs to be so strict. You can modify to your hearts content now. Also, I'm not great with the sort of tables you want, plus I have some connection problems on my end, so I can't really help at the moment. You can ask RobinHood70 or Alfwyn for a more immediate answer. Silence is Golden^{Break the Silence} 21:11, 22 February 2013 (GMT)

Thank you! A goat on a boat (talk) 21:56, 22 February 2013 (GMT)

leveled weapon of northwatch archers

I have found that if you go to Northwatch Keep at a low level,the bows of northwatch archers may not reach elven quality.These bows may be imperial bows or long bows,I am not quite sure. — Unsigned comment by Dreamshadow (talk • contribs) at 03:41 on 5 March 2013‎

By golly you're right. Northwatch Archers use a different list than standard Thalmor Archers. I'll look into the other Northwatch details to see if anything else is different. Silence is Golden^{Break the Silence} 03:52, 5 March 2013 (GMT)

I see.Thanks a lot. — Unsigned comment by Dreamshadow (talk • contribs) at 03:59 on 5 March 2013

Respawn problems

I'm afraid that I have to bother you once again.I have some questions about respawning.

1.It seems that weapons and shields dropped by many generic enemies will never disappear on the ground.If the whole place has respawned,they may be picked up by newly-respawned nearby enemies.When I loot their bodies,I can find two sets of weapons/shields.Is these all right?

2.I'm not quite sure if it is a commom bug.Some outdoor places may have "incomplete respawn".The chests/plants there can respawn normally,but occupants/items will never respawn.For myself,two locations have this problem,Ruins of Rkund and Greenspring Hollow(They do have normal respawn time).Another one is Four Skull Lookout,as is shown in its discussion page.Do you have any ideas about this?

ThanksDreamshadow (talk) 09:12, 5 March 2013 (GMT)

That's a lot of work to do, and some questions I can't answer. I'm going to copy this over to the Respawning talk page, where more people will see it. Silence is Golden^{Break the Silence} 15:19, 5 March 2013 (GMT)

I see.Thank you very much.Due to the time difference,I have to go to bed now(I'm a Chinese).For myself,I am always willing to help.Dreamshadow (talk) 15:26, 5 March 2013 (GMT)

Some good news! I've got some satisfying answers HERE. What's more, they may make some important contributions to many related pages. I'm not sure I can reword them properly and my time is limited in the coming few days. May I have your help once again? That would be of great help. Dreamshadow (talk) 08:23, 9 April 2013 (GMT)

Formal Wiki Style vs UESP

My motivation for changing the Bug note under Soul Gems from second to third person was a kind of pedantic attachment to the Wiki Manual of Style that is probably inappropriate here given that the focus at UESP is more on the user's experience of the site than style per se.

"Second-person pronouns

Do not use the second person (you, your); it is often ambiguous and contrary to the tone of an encyclopedia
 (see also Instructional and presumptuous language, below).

    Use the third person (a noun, or he, one, etc.): instead of When you move past "Go", you collect $200, 
    use When players pass "Go", they collect $200, or A player passing "Go" collects $200.
    The passive voice may sometimes be used instead: When "Go" is passed, $200 is collected."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style

So in short, I just wanted you to understand why I made the change and that I accede to your reversion. Kalevala (talk) 21:35, 19 March 2013 (GMT)

I understand where you are coming from. We do, however, have our own guidelines on perspective, the overriding one being consistency. Articles are allowed to be written in 3rd person, but the whole article needs to be of the same style. In that particular instance, the notes section was littered with "you". Silence is Golden^{Break the Silence} 21:43, 19 March 2013 (GMT)

Book layout and black books

I'm afraid that I couldn't agree with you about the changes of black books. I do think the unique power is an important part of black books. May I have you image a common scene. There are 7 books and 21 different powers in total. It's very easy for anyone to get confused. If I want to change my choices, I have to visit UESP for some help. What exactly I know are only the names of each book. Which page should I visit then? I think many users will choose the book pages. Unfortunately, they will be disappointed. What's more, these books are not common books, traditional layout may not be suitable for them. I know it's difficult to change the standard book layout. I just made these changes based on my own experience. I visited the book pages for some help, but I was unlucky. I had to click another link. May I have you take this into consideration? Thanks Dreamshadow (talk) 05:48, 26 March 2013 (GMT)

The books are unique but that does not warrant the placement of the reward of the quest where the text of the book is. The books as items take you to Apocrypha, and an activator which has the name of the book is activated at the end of the quest to gain one of the three powers. The books are disambiguated from the quests, so in all cases you are looking for the book, which means you want the text of the book. If you say that the powers are "inside" the book, so are the locations, but the book page is for the text, the quest page is for the quest and its rewards. Silence is Golden^{Break the Silence} 12:29, 26 March 2013 (GMT)

Very well, I can understand what you mean. Thanks any way~ Dreamshadow (talk) 12:41, 26 March 2013 (GMT)

Dreamshadow is not without a point here. I would direct everyone's attention to additional information on book pages. The existence of this style guide seems to confirm that information other than the item's text and the non-include game specific box may appear on a book page. The use of {{non book| with either === Notes === or a link to the quest page may be a better solution from the user's perspective wherein he knows only the book's title. Kalevala (talk) 20:03, 30 March 2013 (GMT)

The existence of a template does not mean it must be included. The note template is mainly used for notes such as errors that don't fit with the sic tag, changes from one game to the next, etc, not its "reward". Dreamshadow's opinion was that they should be on the page, my opinion was that they should not be, after this brief discussion Dreamshadow did not pursue any further action, suggesting he was satisfied by my explanation. Silence is Golden^{Break the Silence} 20:15, 30 March 2013 (GMT)

Nor do I suggest that any optional aspect of a template "must" be used, notice please "may be better". Dreamshadow here is really a proxy for the naive user who comes to the site with limited information. He writes: "What exactly I know are only the names of each book. Which page should I visit then?" I would agree that enumerating quest rewards is misplaced. However, the suggestion of a link back to the relevant page when natural or intuitive navigation leads to the book page for a unique class of books seems very much in the spirit of sound navigation within a Wiki and avoids redundancies. Perhaps it should be included in: See Also? Keep up the good work! Kalevala (talk) 20:37, 30 March 2013 (GMT)

Grove of Trials vs. Kynareth's Grotto

Oblivion:Kynareth's Grotto is about the interior location; Oblivion:Grove of Trials is about the exterior. Having the same main image for both seems confusing. Maybe a merge is in order. —Legoless (talk) 01:51, 27 March 2013 (GMT)

Yeah, I wondered where the image came from and don't see the Grove of Trials in the cs, and if the grotto is just the interior zone they should be merged. Silence is Golden^{Break the Silence} 01:53, 27 March 2013 (GMT)

"Grove of Trials" is an unmarked location, mentioned only in dialogue. I'm not sure which one to merge. —Legoless (talk) 01:55, 27 March 2013 (GMT)

To Cyrodil one must go then, I'll try tomorrow. Silence is Golden^{Break the Silence} 01:56, 27 March 2013 (GMT)

Thanks! / Transcluding Lore Articles

Hey Silencer, thank you for your hint! :-) There was a lonesome /noinclude at the end of the article, resulting in notes and references being transcluded to Lore:Places A, so I was trying to be extra thorough. BTW, do you have an idea why articles like Lore:White Gold Tower are not yet listed on the respective place pages? So far I can only speculate: It seems to be quite tricky to place the noincludes (or even to rewrite the article) so that transclusion to Lore:Places W and to Oblivion:White Gold Tower works well. --Holomay (talk) 18:17, 30 March 2013 (GMT)

I don't know why so many lore place articles are not on the lore place list pages. I'll take a look at WGT. Sometimes it's better to reduce the transclusion to just one or two paragraphs in order for it to read properly everywhere, and then add an extra one to the gamespace for specific information. Silence is Golden^{Break the Silence} 18:29, 30 March 2013 (GMT)

Non-Relevant NPCs

Just FYI, the basic code is almost done, just a few things to go on that front. I'm just running some checks before I finish writing the code, though, and it's pointing out that our Morrowind Non-Relevant NPC pages need some love, so I'll work on those tonight and tomorrow, then finish off the code.

Once I've got it copying the Magicka to the NRNPC page, do you want me to update the source table to use the {{NPC Data}} template? It's a bit more work, but I could fairly easily have the bot check that all the parameters match, then update the table if they do, and spit out a report for anything where it didn't. I can probably get it converting those that come from {{NPC Summary}} templates as well if you want. Or would you rather a human did that? If you're double-checking everything against the CS anyway, it may not make much difference. – Robin Hood  ^(talk) 04:23, 2 April 2013 (GMT)

I gave up double-checking a while ago, there was just never any wrong. If you can change the tables that would be ok, just some of the tables on smaller locations have missed out the factions header. If you can rewrite the whole table by bot that would avoid that problem. If you can code for all that, then go ahead. Silence is Golden^{Break the Silence} 08:50, 2 April 2013 (GMT)

Palace of the Kings

Hi there, I noticed you are working on the Palace of the Kings page. I play on xbox, but one odd thing I noticed was I can see the plaques for Olaf and Harald on the stone pillars in the courtyard, but the same plaques are repeated on the other side of the pillar. I'm sure I recall seeing the Wulfarth plaque there, but looking all around the courtyard, I cant locate his plaque anywhere. Any ideas? --Jimeee (talk) 08:56, 16 April 2013 (GMT)

It's actually outside the eastern door to Candlehearth Hall. Silence is Golden^{Break the Silence} 14:19, 16 April 2013 (GMT)

Lore Link

Thanks for catching that. I rarely edit in lore that much, and have completely forgotten what Lore Link did (and I rarely have a use for it when I do edit in lore anyway, so that didn't help it). --AKB ^{Talk Cont Mail} 20:50, 2 May 2013 (GMT)

No problem, I know it makes trying to delete a page more hassle-some when links appear because of it. Silence is Golden^{Break the Silence} 20:55, 2 May 2013 (GMT)

I hadn't forgotten what Lore Link did, I'm just an idiot. Minor Edits^{Threats•Evidence} 21:02, 2 May 2013 (GMT)

@Silencer: Yeah, I really get what you mean. Considering how often we delete long-term pages like this and how much more complicated it is over a normal deletion, it's extremely easy to forget one of the many things you have to do or not do. Plus the added confusion of four different people working on the numerous steps needed to be done, and it's just a pain to do. Thanks for understanding, and catching that again. --AKB ^{Talk Cont Mail} 21:04, 2 May 2013 (GMT)

No problem again, it's easy to forget when you set you mind to removing all links to a page as per more "normal" pages. Those three pages were the only valid ones anyway, the other book only transcludes to Skyrim, and all the other links from lore pages were outside of the transcluded sections (if any). Silence is Golden^{Break the Silence} 21:11, 2 May 2013 (GMT)

Whoops

Sorry to make you go through and change all the marker-ids that I added to the Caves articles. I didn't realize that having them in the summary added that location to the list of Discoverable locations. --Xyzzy ^Talk 14:47, 4 May 2013 (GMT)

No problem, its a little hidden, and I got the template wrong anyhow, lets pretend it never happened. Silence is Golden^{Break the Silence} 16:25, 4 May 2013 (GMT)

Deal. --Xyzzy ^Talk 16:52, 4 May 2013 (GMT)

Numidium

Thanks for fixing that. :D I wanted it to have the information about being powered, but this works too.--Ashendant (talk) 19:41, 4 May 2013 (GMT)

The quote? Not sure it entirely fits on the list page but if you want you can move it into the tags so it does transclude. It can be tricky doing those tags because you really need to save it to see what effects your changes have made. Silence is Golden^{Break the Silence} 19:48, 4 May 2013 (GMT)

Ok I added the information that I thought was relevant to the Numidium itself rather then just the story around it.--Ashendant (talk) 19:57, 4 May 2013 (GMT)

Online:Dreugh

I don't have much experience with gameplay articles so here: [1]--Ashendant (talk) 00:15, 7 May 2013 (GMT)

OK. Silence is Golden^{Break the Silence} 00:17, 7 May 2013 (GMT)