Lore talk:Tsaesci

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What, exactly, suggests that the descriptions of Tcaesi are inaccurate?

The only book that relates to Akaviri races, Mysterious Akavir holds a very Tamriel-centric viewpoint, and contains other misconceptions of 'foreigners' to Tamriel, going so far as to claim the redguards sank their own continent to come to Tamriel. The book Report: Disaster at Ionith mentions nothing at all of snake people (Ionith was in Tsaesci territory) and seems to indicate that they were but men that fought against the empire. Furthermore, why would the imperial people accept the rule of an obviously nonhuman race such as the tsaesci. I call BS on this snake people thing.208.79.244.67 18:10, 29 July 2008 (EDT)

That's a general vagueness more than evidence on inaccuracy. Say instead 'no verification' blah, blah. But Carolac Townway, who embellished nothing, described them as serpentine. This is a conflict, and should be described as such. On to anecdotal evidence. The Imperials are the most accepting race in Tamriel, as their strength comes from cosmopolitanism. They embraced the Akaviri wholly, just as they ordered their entire First Empire around Marukh, an ape(!). Perhaps the most compelling argument is that it would be strange if the Tcaesi were human when their culture is obsessed with snakes. Read their creation myth. Every solitary image and metaphor is serpentine in nature, and it is obvious that their intelligence is alien. Their bodies would be too.Temple-Zero 18:37, 29 July 2008 (EDT)

There is one study that claims that there were both Tsaesci and their assimilated ("eaten") humanoids. If this indeed true, it would explain tsome of the discrepancies in the descriptions of the Akaviri. From the introduction: The anatomy of the Akaviri has become a major issue among Tamrielic scholars recently. Evidence seems to contradict itself. Some scholars propose that, with the amount of evidence available, the Tsaesci must be very snake-like in appearance, while others think that their serpentine traits refer mainly to their face or posture, and some even suggest that they might be serpentine in a metaphorical way. and the conclusion

Men And Tsaesci

This leads us to one very important conclusion: if the Tsaesci "ate" the dragons by subduing them, they must have done something similar to the supposed humans of Akavir. I believe that the Tsaesci and the humans of Akavir are two different races that inhabit or inhabited the same area. The Tsaesci tried to enslave the humans of Akavir or to conquer their territory and rule their lands. The serpentine Akaviri are therefore not the same people as the humans seen at Pale Pass, though both can indeed be classified as "Akaviri".

Tsaesci as serpent-like creatures and and their men, read the rest at the link. Thus there is perhaps a base to expand Lore:Akaviri with origin, invasions, life in the empire and the potentates.--Benould^•T•C 19:44, 29 July 2008 (EDT)

And then there is the immeasurable more interesting explanation by Adventurous Putty that 'eating' means to break down an entire race until it is dissolved into a base set of memes and concepts, which are then absorbed by the Vampire Snakes and the essence of the victim is stolen.24.31.156.165 19:57, 29 July 2008 (EDT)