Lore talk:Dragons

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[edit] Dragonlings

Should it be specified that Dragonlings are encountered by the player during Daggerfall? The sources conflict slightly here since Dragons are apparently extinct and never seen by people, however young Dragons are fairly common throughout Daggerfall (according to TES2).--Willyhead^/t 13:31, 29 May 2008 (EDT)

Provide some hard evidence and this would be a welcome addition. Assuming we can find any hard evidence in the elusive lore of Daggerfall. These "Dragonlings" may be unrealted to the Dragons mentioned in the article, or it may simply be a developer oversight, or maybe Daggerfall is the only place left in Tamriel with Dragons? More research is needed on this subject, but I don't doubt that this point will be added sometime. --HMSVictory^Talk 11:24, 30 May 2008 (EDT)

...And the article does say "supposedly extinct" and "sources conflict." --HMSVictory^Talk 11:25, 30 May 2008 (EDT)

Yes, but it also says If dragons still exist at all, they are never seen (they are seen in TES2). And you're probably right about the developer oversight, the fact that dragons are seen in Daggerfall then said to be extinct in later games seems very clashy! I've never played Daggerfall before, but if we could get hold of a Daggerfall vet we might be able to learn more about the matter.--Willyhead^/t 12:24, 30 May 2008 (EDT)

The reason we don't see dragons is that they would be huge creatures, and the collisions associated with them in a game would be a huge technical barrier. One of the developers commented, "They DO exist, just not everywhere." at sometime around Morrowind's release Source. Therefore, I'm changing the page to reflect that, to our knowledge, they are not extinct.--Ratwar 13:07, 30 May 2008 (EDT)

Right. I've tweaked a little on the article to correspond with your edit. What you have said makes absolute sense. Anyway, the point of Dragonlings in Daggerfall still warrants a mention, so maybe we should get in contact with Uniblab or Timmeh. --HMSVictory^Talk 04:19, 31 May 2008 (EDT)

If there are "many in-game sources" that "say they are extinct", please could you provide us with some? Google provides no relevant hits either on UESP or TIL so I'd like know see these sources. –Rpeh^{•T•C•E•} 05:00, 31 May 2008 (EDT)

Unless they went extinct some time between Daggerfall and Morrowind? I believe the statement about them being extinct was somewhere in Morrowind. (Maybe that's what they really meant by the Dragon Break? Heh.) --TheRealLurlock ^Talk 07:37, 31 May 2008 (EDT)

Their apparent extinction is mentioned in both Morrowind and Oblivion. I can't remember exactly where, but maybe you could look in the dialogue bank in the CS? --HMSVictory^Talk 06:36, 1 June 2008 (EDT)

I've looked and there is no such reference in either game. –Rpeh^{•T•C•E•} 06:45, 1 June 2008 (EDT)

Are you sure it wasn't in a book that you read? If the dialogue banks don't make any reference to the dragons' extinction, then maybe there is a book that does. Mysterious Akavir states that the dragons went extinct there, but I couldn't find any references to them being extinct in Tamriel.--Willyhead^/t 08:39, 1 June 2008 (EDT)

(outdent) Well Mysterious Akavir is subtitled (on our site anyway) "Inaccurate information about the continent Akavir", plus it seems to be more allegorical than factual - "Since that time the cat-folk have tried to become the Dragons. Tosh Raka is the first to succeed. He is the largest Dragon in the world" would be plain weird if taken literally. –Rpeh^{•T•C•E•} 08:54, 1 June 2008 (EDT)

Who says that dragonlings are not just simler to dragons and that how thay got the name?86.45.78.158 07:15, 3 August 2008 (EDT)

[edit] Redguard

Why has no one added infomation on the Dragon in Redguard? A dragon that actually converses with Cyrus, the player. One that aided the empire, one that we have illustrations of, one that helped win the battle of Stros M'kai for the Empire.