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Lore talk:Third Era

2011-02-11T19:53:25Z

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== Destri Melarg==

Not sure why, but Destri Melarg is said to have died twice. once in 3E 114, and once in 3E 133. This probably ought to be fixed. [[User:24.224.133.113|24.224.133.113]] 17:13, 29 November 2006 (EST)

:While confirming this, I noticed that this has apparently been fixed and, more importantly, that the 3E 114 entry says he died 133 years old, yet it says (at 3E 20) that he was born on 3E 20. Does anyone know why this is? Also, does that mean he was born in the Second Era or the Third Era? Mathematicly, this would mean the final year of the Second Era, but perhaps it was meant to be at the beginning of the 3rd Era (113 years old on 3E 133). Anyone who can help clear this up for me is welcome to respond. Thanks. {{unsigned|Adoring Fan}}

== King of Tamriel ==

I was just wondering if anyone could offer an explanation as to why the Emperors are referred to as Kings? I never noticed it before (and in-game Uriel VII is usually preceded by Emperor) and just wondered if there was a historical reason behind it. Just seems odd given that Tamriel is an Empire that the term is used instead of Emperor (especially in the case of Uriel VII). Is it an honourary title or something? --[[User:Emperor Moo|Emperor Moo]] 09:42, 8 May 2007 (EDT)

:I think technically, the Emperor is the ruler of the entire Empire, while a King is the ruler of a province, e.g. [[Tribunal:King Hlaalu Helseth|King Hlaalu Helseth]] of Morrowind. Uriel Septim is the ruler of all Tamriel, but he is also the ruler of Cyrodiil, so he is thus technically both a King ''and'' an Emperor. Tamriel seems to be an Empire in only the loosest sense of the word, however, as it seems that neighboring provinces are frequently at war with eachother (Valenwood vs. Elsweyr for example). The Empire is seen as something of an overseer for the provinces, but they are not really running under a single rule as they would in a true Empire. Uriel Septim seems to have very little power outside of Cyrodiil, thus his title of "Emperor" is somewhat ceremonial, while his powers as "King" of Cyrodiil are considerably more defined. Of course, it could be somebody just made a mistake... --[[User:TheRealLurlock|TheRealLurlock]] [[User_talk:TheRealLurlock|Talk]] 10:24, 8 May 2007 (EDT)

::Looking through several of the history books I came to the same conclusion as Lurlock: in general, most of the rulers are both kings and emperors. For example, "Pelagius, King of Solitude" then became Emperor Pelagius. It sounds to me like the title of emperor is considered more important than king/queen, however. Once someone becomes emperor, they are only ever referred to as emperor. So I'd be inclined to say that the preference for king/queen on this page is a mistake, and anyone who became emperor should be referred to as such. --[[User:Nephele|Nephele]][[User_talk:Nephele|Talk]] 10:38, 8 May 2007 (EDT)

== Fourth Era? ==

Since the third era ends in the year 433, don't you think we should add a page for the fourth era? --[[User:Viccce|Viccce]] 16:26, 12 March 2007 (EDT)
:I suppose, except that there's nothing to put on it, other than "Well, it just started." Presumably when TES V comes out, it will be set in the Fourth Era, but that could be years from now. So we really don't know anything about it. --[[User:TheRealLurlock|TheRealLurlock]] [[User_talk:TheRealLurlock|Talk]] 16:37, 12 March 2007 (EDT)

==Cleanup==
Working on cleaning up this page, from the bottom up. This is mainly just checking and cross linking with all other pages, and making sure the information is correct. If large chunks have been removed the info is often superfluous and already listed on another page. Its been removed for simplicity, but can still be reached by at least one cross link -[[User:Lordsword 8|Lordsword 8]] 14:28, 2 May 2007 (EDT)

:Okay, 5th Century now cleaned up. I feel like it missing some entrues as it seems to short compared to the other centuries. Ill add anything else I come across. -[[User:Lordsword 8|Lordsword 8]] 05:54, 5 May 2007 (EDT)

::There is now a page listing only major events, ie no births or natural deaths, as suggested by [[User talk:Nephele#Tamriel History|Nephele]]. To add somethin to both, just place it on the all events page. To have not appear on the major events page, place a noinclude around it please. -[[User:Lordsword 8|Lordsword 8]] 12:07, 10 May 2007 (EDT)

:::Finally finsihed the fouth era, so many links... :) -[[User:Lordsword 8|Lordsword 8]] 10:21, 19 May 2007 (EDT)

== Great Dragon Purge ==

Saruuk beat me to the vn tag, but can somebody tell me what this is all about? Google returns three results for "Great Dragon Purge" (with quotes) and none of them are TES-related. "Afrana Hiriutz" doesn't turn up any hits. Can anybody give a reference for this or should it come off? --[[User:Rpeh|Rpeh]][[User_Talk:Rpeh|Talk]] 10:29, 12 September 2007 (EDT)
:Yeah, given that these events supposedly happened in 3E433 they would be part of Oblivion, rather than one of the earlier games. In which case I'm pretty certain they are not part of the official Elder Scrolls lore. If anything, it's something that's been added by a third-party mod, which of course doesn't belong here. So I'm going to bite the bullet and delete it. --[[User:Nephele|Nephele]][[User_talk:Nephele|Talk]] 12:35, 12 September 2007 (EDT)

== The First and Second Champions ==

I haven't played Arena, Daggerfall or Oblivion, so I was wondering what happened to the first and second champions of Arena and Daggerfall? Does Oblivion make any reference to these previous heroes? -[[User:BretonRock|BretonRock]]
:The only references are in books where their deeds after the event are never truly discussed. They don't want to dictate what happened to people's characters in the past. Morrowind's hero is said to have gone on an expedition to another continent. --[[User:Ratwar|Ratwar]] 22:58, 9 February 2008 (EST)
::Thanks. -[[User:BretonRock|BretonRock]]

== Year Variance ==

Shouldn't the year of when the Oblivion Crisis started not be listed since the Oblivion Crisis doesn't start until after Martin is recovered from Kvatch, which the player may do in a later time, especially since the game starts in (I think) September, or what would be September. Similar to the Morrowind description, where it only mentions the arrival of the Nerevarine, not his accomplishments, I think the Oblivion Crisis and following events up to the Fourth Era should be left out, or not given a specific year. Actually, on second thought, I don't think any events in TES4 can be given an exact date since, in theory, one could wait until 3E 434, before getting to the part in the story where the Emporer dies. I do realize that the events of TES4 are important, however, I think we should try going about another way to show these events, at least until some official (Bethesda) time limits are given, ingame or otherwise. If there is no other way to go about this that suits the needs and preferences of the wiki, however, I think it is OK to leave it how it is, or if there is another reason why it needs to stay as-is, please respond stating why. Thanks! (PS: Sorry for the long comment!) --[[User:Adoring Fan|Adoring Fan]] 18:45, 27 March 2008 (EDT)

: Every time I look at the Time-Line, I have to wonder about the speed in which one Champion would carry out these events... Every time I play TES IV ((ever since I noticed/realized 'Level-Dependant' items, I ALWAYS spend my time from the 27th of Last Seed often all the way until either Evening Star or Morning Star (3E 434) practicing skills and acquiring loot and currency from bandits/camps and caves that do not have any unique level dependant Items; mostly I avoid those quests with special rewards. Also I focus on [http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Oblivion:Efficient_Leveling Efficient Leveling]
:Each time I play Oblivion, I don't deliver the Amulet and begin the Main-Quest chain until around mid-month of Rains Hand 434. I like to exploit the Felldew 'attribute glitch of-sorts' leading my character into the Shivering Isles around winter or spring 434, but don't carry trough the entire quest-chain, taking a break at/and after the Duke of Mania quest, not to finish the main quest until long after (possibly mid 435). Most often my main-quest climax for the Oblivion Crisis takes place in the fall of 434.

:Every player will make different choices and do different quests at different times. Even though the Champion saves mundus, I don't believe he could do all the quest-chains with in a 4 month time-frame ***if the player cares not for time; but rewards for quests*** [[User:Skober|Skober]] 10:34, 18 October 2010 (UTC)

== Kintyra II's death ==

It states she died in her cell on 3E 14 but it states she also died in her cell on 3E 23, so which one is it? {{unsigned|68.144.228.97}}
: The first date is the one that was announced at the time but the second is the true one. At least, that's how I read it. –[[User:Rpeh|Rpeh]]•[[User_Talk:Rpeh|T]]•[[Special:Contributions/Rpeh|C]]•[[Special:Emailuser/Rpeh|E]]• 02:00, 2 May 2008 (EDT)

== What happened to... ==

The empress who helped the hero of Arena save the empire from Jagar Tharn,it was so long ago I can't even remember her name ---[[User:LordSil|LordSil]] 01:56, 3 May 2008 (EDT)

:Well, do you mean the ghostly woman in the cut-scenes? That was [[Arena:Ria Silmane]], a deceased mage who had been an apprentice of Jagar Tharn's, and basically pulls an 'Obi-Wan' to guide 'the mysterious hero' through the main quests of [[Arena:Arena|Arena]]. But it's been a fair bit since I've played that game, myself... --[[User:Empath|Empath]] 14:52, 25 May 2008 (EDT)

== Pelagius I ==

In "Brief History of the Empire", in the third paragraph, first sentence, it says, "The Emperor's '''grandson''', Pelagius, came to the throne."

But in the timeline it says his "eldest son". I'm thinking the book is wrong (as usual). It goes from Tiber, down to Pelagius, then to Pelagius' 1st cousin, Kintyra, who was daughter of Tiber's brother. Soooo, if Pelagius really was the grandson of Tiber, then that would make Kintyra his aunt.

So that is a mistake in the book then, right?{{unsigned|Vedaa}}
:Yes, that seems correct, don't change the book however. I'll double check it too.-[[User:Puddle|Puddle]] 06:40, 2 June 2008 (EDT)
::Yes, that is a misspelling by the developers, or the typer of the book, probably the developers.-[[User:Puddle|Puddle]] 06:49, 2 June 2008 (EDT)

==Basis for date==
Where is the source for this date?
3E 375 — Hero of Daggerfall Born
* The unnamed hero who put to rest the soul of King Lysandus is born.
-[[User:85.179.216.102|85.179.216.102]] 19:59, 7 August 2008 (EDT)
: It's in the ''Daggerfall Chronicles'', which as a book published by Bethesda, counts as an official source. –[[User:Rpeh|Rpeh]]•[[User_Talk:Rpeh|T]]•[[Special:Contributions/Rpeh|C]]•[[Special:Emailuser/Rpeh|E]]• 14:01, 2 September 2008 (EDT)

Is this book the basis for "Daggerfall" apparently taking twelve years? Does your hero regularly get letters asking "What in Oblivion are you doing? Why is this taking so long? Are you one of those people who wanders the world in side quests and just forgets to do the main quest?"

==Potema==
:The [[Lore:Biography of the Wolf Queen|Biography of the Wolf Queen]] oddly claims that Potema died at the age of "90" in "3E 137", but as it explicitly spelled out the date of her birth ("in the sixty-seventh year of the third era") I can't see how "90" could be anything but a typo; especially as [[Lore:The Wolf Queen|The Wolf Queen]] indirectly gives her birth date several times as 3E 67 and her age at the time of death as "seventy" (as well as the similar ages of her siblings). Thus, I think it appropriate that I add Potema's birth in 3E 67 as a history entry. Any objections? --[[User:128.243.253.103|128.243.253.103]] 05:41, 22 May 2009 (EDT)

==Nerevar==

The timeline here says "This is also the date when the reincarnation of the Dunmer war hero Nerevar..." Isn't nerevar actually a chimer? --[[User:Max Welrod|Max Welrod]] 08:26, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
:Correct, however I believe it is meant to say he is a war hero to the Dunmer, not a Dunmer war hero. –[[User:Elliot|Elliot]] [[User_talk:Elliot|talk]] 08:29, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
:: In any case, I've changed it to "chimer". If anyone doesn't agree with the change, they can change it back to "Dunmer", but please put "War hero of the Dunmer" instead. Thanks, Elliot. --[[User:Max Welrod|Max Welrod]] 02:02, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

== Age of the Hero of Daggerfall. ==

I was wondering why it says that the age of the Hero of Daggerfall is 30 (At the time Daggerfall starts) I've never seen any record of this, was this taken from a book in one of the games? Also, the "History" section in the Menu in Daggerfall of your character can say you were in your 20's. Or is the "History" thing not true? [[User:GaidenGuy123|GaidenGuy123]] 02:58, 5 March 2010 (UTC)

: This question has already been answered [[#Basis for date|here]]. The information seems to have come from a book called the Daggerfall Chronicles. [[Special:Contributions/204.45.58.234|204.45.58.234]] 17:47, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

== Fourth Era pt 2 ==
''(originally posted in the [[#Fourth Era?|section]] above, now approaching its fifth birthday)''

Ive got a TES IV Save that is already in year 3E434 so no, this year doesnt end it. {{unsigned|188.102.133.144|23 December 2010}}

: Yes, but this is one occasion where what happens in-game is less important than common sense. The third era ends with the end of the [[Lore:Septim Dynasty|Septim Dynasty]] - the dynasty that began it. For the sake of consistent lore, everything that occurs within the game of Oblivion is considered to have taken place in 3E 433. Otherwise we get everybody writing lore according to when they finished certain quests in the game, which is obviously unacceptable. 3E 433 is the last year of the Third Era. It is followed by 4E 1. [[User:Rpeh|rpeh]] •[[User_Talk:Rpeh|T]]•[[Special:Contributions/Rpeh|C]]•[[Special:Emailuser/Rpeh|E]]• 11:59, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

== Magnus ==

In most of the these pages where it refers to Magnus, the son of Pelagius Septim II, it redirects to the god of Sorcery, when in fact it should point to the Emperor Magnus {{unsigned|72.48.94.34|29 December 2010}}

: Thanks for pointing that out. I think I've fixed them now, although there are still a few pages waiting for the job queue to catch up. [[User:Rpeh|rpeh]] •[[User_Talk:Rpeh|T]]•[[Special:Contributions/Rpeh|C]]•[[Special:Emailuser/Rpeh|E]]• 11:08, 29 December 2010 (UTC)

== Mannimarco ==

I was browsing the Imperial Library and found that in the Second Era, during the King of Worm's clash with Galerion the Mystic, the survivors concluded that both faction leaders had died. As certain recent events in North-Western Cyrodiil clearly show, this was not the case. Could it be, then, that we are being a little hasty in declaring this necromantic lord 'Gone for Good?' We may have seen his body broken in Oblivion, but that may or may not matter. I therefore propose that the relevant entry be changed from "Death" to "Defeat."[[Special:Contributions/173.76.239.249|173.76.239.249]] 21:21, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
:This has been brought up more than once and it should remain as it unless Mannimarco returns in TES V. --[[User:Arch-Mage Matt|''Arch-Mage Matt'']] [[Special:Contributions/Arch-Mage Matt|Did '''I''' Do That?]] 22:14, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

== Uriel VI ==

It is stated that he was 22 at 3E 307, and that he died at the age of 25, at 3E 320. Can anyone correct this? {{unsigned|Mitsos|23 January 2011}}

: That's not what it says. The 307 entry states that he doesn't get full control of the throne until he's 22 - and that's what the next entry for 313 is about. The entry in 320 states that Morihatha was 25 when she took the throne. [[User:Rpeh|rpeh]] •[[User_Talk:Rpeh|T]]•[[Special:Contributions/Rpeh|C]]•[[Special:Emailuser/Rpeh|E]]• 10:58, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

::Thanks for the clarification.

==Sheogorath==
Should this be in the fourth era? It may be possible to do it before finishing the main quest of Oblivion, but I think that canonically Shivering Isles is set after it, and therefore in the fourth era, regardless of what Oblivion's in-game calendar may say. [[Special:Contributions/67.165.65.163|67.165.65.163]] 04:07, 25 January 2011 (UTC)Tompie913

: In a word: no. We've had this discussion many times before. Everything that happens in TES IV is in the third era unless something in a later game says different. Whichever one we pick there'll be someone who disagrees, so we're going with this. [[User:Rpeh|rpeh]] •[[User_Talk:Rpeh|T]]•[[Special:Contributions/Rpeh|C]]•[[Special:Emailuser/Rpeh|E]]• 11:38, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

Lore talk:Third Era

2011-01-23T10:46:05Z

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User talk:Mitsos

2011-01-11T19:08:11Z

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Έλληνας? --[[User:Rigas Papadopoulos|Rigas Papadopoulos]] • [[User_Talk:Rigas Papadopoulos|Talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Rigas Papadopoulos|Deeds]] • 14:08, 11 January 2011 (UTC)

Ναι, από Θεσσαλονίκη.

UESPWiki:News/Behind the Scenes at Bethesda

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===Behind the Scenes at Bethesda — January 10, 2011===
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For those of you who have ever wondered what it's like to work at a software house, [[General:Todd Howard|Todd Howard]] hosts a tour around [[General:Bethesda|Bethesda]]'s studio in [http://www.gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2011/01/10/video-behind-the-scenes-of-skyrim.aspx this] video. There are some interesting glimpses of Skyrim-related material too, with concept art and a sneak preview of the game map.
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Further information about Skyrim can be found here: [http://scrawlfx.com/2011/01/first-elder-scrolls-v-skyrim-details]