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Morrowind talk:Vivec (god)

2010-12-15T22:30:09Z

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I disagree with the following paragraph:

"They then went against Nerevar's dying wish by using the profane Tools of Kagrenac on the Heart of Lorkhan in order to steal its divine essence for themselves. They achieved great heroism with their divinity, but it was also their undoing; because they worked deeds of good against the evil of the Heart they were weakened even before the return of Dagoth-Ur, Nerevar's nemesis. Dagoth-Ur, who had also stolen power from the Heart, acted in accordance with its evil and grew stronger."

The Heart of Lorkhan isn't evil, just a very powerful artifact. The Tribunal members used its power to gain divine powers, by tapping it once in a while with Kagernac's tools. Their power was not sustainable, so the had to re-imbue themselves every time with the Heart's power, when their energy was running low. When Dagoth Ur came back to life, he regained control over the Tool and the Heart, thus the Tribunal members could no longer reimbue themselves and they grew weaker and weaker with time.

"Dagor-Ur [...] acted in accordance with its evil and grew stonger." signals a big misunderstanding somewhere.

[[User:Ralleyon|Ralleyon]] 03:57, 29 June 2008 (EDT)
:Sithis created Lorkhan to kill the Aedra, making him evil to do this. This would make Lorkhan's heart evil, would it not?--[[User:Drake3555|Drake3555]] 19:38, 5 August 2008 (EDT)
I think I know which book you read to come up with that, and let me say that is you want to learn about the topic, you shouldn't start there.[[User:Temple-Zero|Temple-Zero]] 19:47, 5 August 2008 (EDT)

::Well, the whole "What happened at Red Mountain" section is under reconstruction. The [[Lore:Heart of Lorkhan]] is what stabilized [[Lore:Mundus|Mundus]]' & [[Lore:Nirn|Nirn]] existence (among other stones & towers), keeping the planes separated, without the continued presence of the gods. Talking about this in terms of good/evil is not very helpful, I think. --[[User:Benould|Benould]]•[[User_Talk:Benould|T]]•[[Special:Contributions/Benould|C]] 19:53, 5 August 2008 (EDT)

'He has saved the Dunmeri people from certain death on numerous occasions, most notably when he taught them how to breathe water so that he could flood Morrowind and kill the Akaviri invaders, c. 2E 572.'

I recall this being from some of the Temple documents, and thus slightly dubious. Teaching a group of dunmer to breath water so that they could spring/be bait in an ambush I could understand, since I think Vivec would be powerful enough to flood a moderate area. It would have been something like the battler against the Empire referenced in ''2920, The Last Year of the First Era''. But flooding an entire province? I'm not sure all the daedra working together could do that. I also doubt that every mer in Morrowind could successfully water breath for long enough to drown the invaders.

I'm not sure this should be listed as factual, which it currently appears to be. ~Morgrim

== Vivec's Health After Main Quest ==

Added a mention of what happens (or rather doesn't) when you kill Vivec after you've beaten the Main Quest. Would anyone happen to know his exact HP? (It is definitely under 3000, if not 1000.) -[[Special:Contributions/71.249.111.52|71.249.111.52]] 13:09, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

:Odd, I've just given it a check on my save game... still has it as 3000.--{{unsigned|203.59.20.221}}

== Note Verification ==

I'm moving [http://i38.tinypic.com/qns57r.jpg this link] that was offered as verification for the following note:
:If you kill Vivec after you finish the Main Quest, he has much less health and will leave no corpse, soul, or the [[Morrowind:Yagrum_Bagarn_and_Wraithguard#God-Killer|Back Path]] [[Morrowind:Wraithguard|left-handed Wraithguard]] since it is no longer necessary. Instead, you are simply left with the message "''The Heart of Lorkhan is no more, and Vivec and his {{sic|innatural|unnatural}} powers dissolved with it.''"
I don't buy a screenshot as hard evidence for this, but since I'm not sure I wanted to start a discussion about it. Can anyone else help out with this? –[[User:Eshe|Eshe]][[User talk:Eshe|talk]] 02:45, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

After finishing the main quest i killed vivec, but i just get the information that i killed an immportant character and i could loot the corpse for the wraithguard.
There is a bug also when i talk to other people abaout almalexia. Theres an option that i found Sotha sil dead and that i killed almalexia AND vivec, also vivec is still living.

::Yeah, you can kill Almalexia before the showdown (although you'd have to fight her 4 near-invincible guards to do it) and no one in Mournhold will care or notice. However, Vivec can die with that message and without giving up his version of Wraithguard, but it seems to show up only if you meet some seemingly weird conditions. -[[Special:Contributions/71.247.37.33|71.247.37.33]] 15:48, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

:::When someone can tell us what those conditions are, we can add it to the page. Otherwise, we can't really call it accurate, since I've got two Wraithguards.--[[User:Ratwar|Ratwar]] 22:18, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

::::No. There is a screenshot showing this to be true, so it should definitely be mentioned on the article until somebody can show that it is NOT true. The burden of proof is on you here, Ratwar. [[Special:Contributions/89.168.79.167|89.168.79.167]] 23:05, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

Whoa, can we please quit reverting this edit until we get more information? I don't see any problem with leaving the note and verification tag in place for now. The reason we have doubts about the screenshot is because we don't have any way of knowing whether this screenshot was in any way altered or what version of the game it comes from. For all we know, the shot is from a modified version of the game, which means it doesn't apply to the article. In any case, I'd appreciate it if everyone would discuss it here instead of arguing back and forth through edit summaries. –[[User:Eshe|Eshe]][[User talk:Eshe|talk]] 23:37, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

: Sorry... was that not what I just did? I posted on the talk page to explain why deleting the information was wrong. What else should I have done, Eshe?
: I must confess I haven't seen the message myself, but the information should not be dismissed until it is clear that the message came from a mod. [[Special:Contributions/89.168.46.238|89.168.46.238]] 00:22, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

::Er...that comment was addressed to everyone. I didn't mean to imply you'd done the wrong thing; I was simply requesting that everyone move to a discussion rather than an edit war. Sorry! I should have been more clear. –[[User:Eshe|Eshe]][[User talk:Eshe|talk]] 00:27, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

:::Searching the construction set for that particular phrase, I couldn't find anything. And yes, I checked the GMTS too. The fact that that line is absent suggests without much doubt that the entire event does not exist. The screenshot could as easily be from a mod. There might be a difference in versions here (GOTY vs. classic) but I seriously doubt that this case. Since Ratwar has been unable to reproduce the event as well, I opt to remove the note from the article. --[[User:Timenn|Timenn]]-<[[User talk:Timenn|talk]]> 09:43, 12 November 2009 (UTC)
::::I have now gone back and verified in game that no such text appears. This was gone on a basically clean install of Morrowind without either of the expansions. I have failed to see anything that points to this being accurate in either the Construction Set or the actual Game itself. The single screen has now been confirmed false by myself, Timenn, and 79.199.199.180. Now it is still possible that the text itself is added by one of the expansions, though I highly doubt it. Therefore, until someone can list the circumstances that leads to this message appearing, I have removed it from the page.--[[User:Ratwar|Ratwar]] 06:27, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

== Strategy For Killing Vivec ==

What's a good strategy for killing Vivec? Is there a minimum level for it to even be possible? [[User:MrSensiBob|MrSensiBob]] 00:04, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

: Make sure you have a lot of health and a high hit chance.[[User:Kinvalor75|Kinvalor75]] 20:30, 1 August 2010 (UTC)

::Just dodge his spells for a while until he runs out of magicka. He's cake when he just uses hand to hand. {{unsigned|76.2.97.167|1 August 2010}}

::: He's just like any other foe, but tougher. Level up. Now please stop this discussion because it's not related to improving the article. [[User:Rpeh|rpeh]] •[[User_Talk:Rpeh|T]]•[[Special:Contributions/Rpeh|C]]•[[Special:Emailuser/Rpeh|E]]• 21:40, 1 August 2010 (UTC)

::::I believe this page could use a bit of talk about actually fighting Vivec as I know a lot of people would enjoy that and there is such strategy talk for many lesser enemies. Even though Vivec isn't a necessary fight a brief overview of the fight and everything noteworthy about it as Vivec is an extremely valuable kill as he has the largest soul in vanilla and is second only to Alma even when playing with the expansions. But yes if someone is still reading this for the strategy part just let him waste his magicka and keep your fatigue up (as with all serious fights sanctuary is a huge benefit). [[Special:Contributions/88.194.21.147|88.194.21.147]] 20:05, 7 August 2010 (UTC)

== Killing Vivec Easy on Xbox verson ==

all you need to do is reheal your health and your fagtige and you are golden. the cheats are:
Reheal health. black,White,black,black,black (hold down a till full)
reheal fatigue. black,white,white,black (hold down a till full)
reheal magicka. black,white,white,black,white (hold down a till full)

if you want to keep those three things refilling in combat instead of just going back and back, hold A then press B while still holding A.Another thing is this ONLY works on Xbox verson. also don't get mixed up with Magicka and fatigue its easy to remember. And one more thing once you have it constantly refilling those three things,once you press B you're done for refilling constantly until you do the cheat again.
Hopes this works for some of you sighned by Acab47.

== Another Way on Defeating the Great God Vivec ==

One thing was the cheats i talked awhile about you can buy many other things first.health potions.
This stradegy is really common, buy levitation potions and have a really good bow such as the daedric long bow or Ariel's bow.
get to the palace and levitate to the top and keep shooting him. first it really helps for xbox players becuase you must dodge his spells untill his magicka is out.bring lots of restore health potions really good quality and have at least the health of 200-230.
get good arrows and this way takes for ever. So if you would depend on at least 10-15 miniuts killing vivec easely this is one of them so you could use that. also this help from the levitation trick helped me with the Umbra Sword At level 3 so keep that in mind
sighned Acab47.(dec 14) dude thanks that really helped

Morrowind talk:Umbra Sword

2010-12-14T01:51:02Z

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== Category ==

I'm not sure about changing this to a Dai-Katana. Sure it's two handed, but its appearance is much more like a longsword than a katana, plus the weapon id (longsword_umbra_unique) is a bit of a pointer. [[User:Rpeh|rpeh]] •[[User_Talk:Rpeh|T]]•[[Special:Contributions/Rpeh|C]]•[[Special:Emailuser/Rpeh|E]]• 16:14, 28 October 2010 (UTC)

: Well... Longswords are defined as being one-handed, so it does not belong there. The 1.35 speed makes it more consistant with a Dai-Katana than any other type of 2-handed sword --[[User:Brf|Brf]] 16:19, 28 October 2010 (UTC)

:: That's how we define them at the moment, but that can change - there's also the one-handed, two-handed categories that allow a more-precise categorisation to be made. The history of the dai-katana (in TES) is that they are made to resemble Akaviri weapons - something Umbra does not. I take the point about two-handedness, but I think this is a place where form matters more. [[User:Rpeh|rpeh]] •[[User_Talk:Rpeh|T]]•[[Special:Contributions/Rpeh|C]]•[[Special:Emailuser/Rpeh|E]]• 16:31, 28 October 2010 (UTC)

::: You have a point. The image does look more like a longsword too. Maybe there should be a blurb in there somewhere that "most" of the longswords are one-handed or that all of the non-unique ones are. --[[User:Brf|Brf]] 16:34, 28 October 2010 (UTC)

:::: Actually, we may as well just remove that category and leave it in [[:Category:Morrowind-Weapons-Long Blades Two Hand]] alone. Calling it a long sword or a dai-katana is going to be an arbitrary decision either way, so let's skip it and leave it in one place where it indisputably belongs. [[User:Rpeh|rpeh]] •[[User_Talk:Rpeh|T]]•[[Special:Contributions/Rpeh|C]]•[[Special:Emailuser/Rpeh|E]]• 16:38, 28 October 2010 (UTC)

::::: That probably makes the most sense for an ambiguous one-off object like this --[[User:Brf|Brf]] 16:45, 28 October 2010 (UTC)

== An Easy Way to Get The Amazing Wepon The Umbra Sword ==

first its the easy levitation glitch with the bow. once again i agree with the deadric longbow,and the Ariel's bow. just keep shooting him.its really useful to kill him with the marksmen of 40 and higher.this one also takes long like killing the god Vivec. easy buy levitation potions and keep shooting continuly =).So hopes this works and once more sighned by Acab47. c ya

Tribunal talk:Mournhold

2010-12-14T01:32:00Z

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==Future==

I plan on eventually expanding this page to include Game Specific Information. Therefore, Please keep all Tribunal Links to this page as Tribunal links, not Tamriel.--[[User:Ratwar|Ratwar]] 19:30, 17 January 2007 (EST)

== Jump ==

You can't levitate in Mournhold because that would enable you to pass the city gates. Nothing is written in Tribunal past Mournhold. But what if you used a code or a spell to jump really high? What would you see? I think I recall seeing Mournhold surrounded by water when trying this (despite Mournhold being called "the Mainland"), but I could be wrong. [[User:C Teng|C Teng]] [[User talk:C Teng|[talk]]] 16:23, 7 October 2008 (EDT)

:Mournhold is supposed to be the inner part of the larger city known as Almalexia. It is possible that Mournhold is separated from the rest of the city with a moat. It is also possible that it is just a default graphic used to disguise the parts outside of it you're not supposed to see. As for levitation, it was disabled because it would displease Almalexia.[[User:Penguin0719|Penguin0719]] 18:12, 7 October 2008 (EDT)

::It's surrounded by water because it's just meant as empty wasteland. Having water surround is a bit neater than just an abyss. To prevent players from seeing it, the developers invented the idea of a prohibition on Levitation. --[[User:Timenn|Timenn]] < [[User_talk:Timenn|talk]] > 16:46, 8 October 2008 (EDT)
:::Yeah, that's what I thought. [[User:C Teng|C Teng]] [[User talk:C Teng|[talk]]] 20:05, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

== Test? ==

Typeing "COC Mournhold" into the console teleports you to a empty room with a door leading nowhere. (Black abyss)

Is this a test cell of sorts? [[User:Lucky the Cat Guy|Lucky the Cat Guy.]] 17:49, 18 April 2009 (EDT)
: We used to have a page about it, but it was so misleading we got rid of it. There are plenty of cells like this around. Basically they are "holding" cells for creatures, items and NPCs that need removing from the game but not disabling. They can also be used as "grouping" cells, so for instance in Oblivion there's a cell called ICWaterfront that contains the "real" cells ICWaterfront01, ICWaterfront02, ICWaterfront03 etc. –[[User:Rpeh|Rpeh]]•[[User_Talk:Rpeh|T]]•[[Special:Contributions/Rpeh|C]]•[[Special:Emailuser/Rpeh|E]]• 16:02, 27 April 2009 (EDT)

== Killing King Helseth In Mournhold ==

Alot of people have asked me when il make a talk on killing king helseth. its so easy first once again in the xbox verson so much easier. first buy a bunch of Sumaja. Then make youre trip back to mournhold then go to king helseth. first you have to do like 6 quest
for the captin in the throne room.then he'll tell you that the king wants you to do a secret mission for him.i sudgest on doing the secret mission first before killing him. now you drink all the suamaja and take bits like 5 at a time becuase if you have a scratched game it will probley freez on you so ya. the reason for the sumaja is becuse it rises your streangth 50 points and lowers your agility i think it was. buy probley 35 and drink them all. you kill king helseth in a flash one hit it is all it takes so ya youre set.and also once you kill him you don't have to pay anything that is if you kill all the guards that watched you kill the king himself.
and for some of you that think that this is not PERMENET exept for the Agility thing so buy potions bye! Sighned Acab47

User talk:67.199.164.42

2010-12-14T01:11:54Z

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== Trials ==

Re your comment "wtf she wont arrange a meeting with me and ive fulfilled the trials":

1) You posted it on the talk page for an image, not the quest.

2) If you mean Vivec, he's male, not female.

3) You need to be more descriptive. Please tell us who you're talking to, and what the last quest you did was. While you're at it, reading the quest pages '''thoroughly''' will probably help.

Thanks. [[User:Rpeh|rpeh]] •[[User_Talk:Rpeh|T]]•[[Special:Contributions/Rpeh|C]]•[[Special:Emailuser/Rpeh|E]]• 23:33, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

:well i did the the fourth and fifth trial and she wont arrange a meating for the main quest {{unsigned|67.199.164.42|18:38, December 13, 2010}}

::Sign your posts please. And it's "meeting". You're not involving dead animals. --[[User:DKong27|DKong27]] [[User_talk:DKong27|Talk]] [[Special:Contributions/DKong27|Cont]] 23:41, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

::(e/c)You obviously haven't read what I said, since you keep referring to Vivec as female. Read the pages properly before posting again. [[User:Rpeh|rpeh]] •[[User_Talk:Rpeh|T]]•[[Special:Contributions/Rpeh|C]]•[[Special:Emailuser/Rpeh|E]]• 23:44, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

::: i know that Vivic IS a MALE not a FEMALE {{unsigned|67.199.164.42|13 December 2010}}can you help me on this?

:::: Post properly and stop being overly-emotional or I'm going to block you. Write down exactly what your problem is, what you've done and what you've tried. If you won't treat this site with respect, we're not going to treat you with respect. Understand? [[User:Rpeh|rpeh]] •[[User_Talk:Rpeh|T]]•[[Special:Contributions/Rpeh|C]]•[[Special:Emailuser/Rpeh|E]]• 23:48, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

::::: Unless you post a proper question, describing exactly what you're trying to do and what your problem is, there's nothing we can do to help. Furthermore, you're just annoying people. Post a proper question or leave. Which is it to be? [[User:Rpeh|rpeh]] •[[User_Talk:Rpeh|T]]•[[Special:Contributions/Rpeh|C]]•[[Special:Emailuser/Rpeh|E]]• 23:55, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

::::::I gotta say, who is the she you keep mentioning? The one who arranges the meeting is the Archcanon. See [[Morrowind:Hortator_and_Nerevarine|quest page]]. --[[User:DKong27|DKong27]] [[User_talk:DKong27|Talk]] [[Special:Contributions/DKong27|Cont]] 23:56, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

::::::: one thing im looking at Danso Indules and she wont say anything about the meeting.What do i do?{{unsigned|67.199.164.42}}

:::::::: What is her greeting? What is her topic "meet the archcanon"? --[[User:Brf|Brf]] 00:13, 14 December 2010 (UTC)her greeting is like evertyone in there. you? The nerevini puti lies so ya thats pretty much it

== Advice ==

I'm afraid that unless you start reading the messages you get when posting and generally treating this site with some respect, you're going to get a warning. I find it difficult to treat your behaviour so far as "Good Faith". Several editors have tried to help, but you keep posting in the wrong places, in the wrong styles and with the wrong attitude.

This is an unofficial warning. Either read the site's guidelines and follow them, or expect an official warning that will be followed by a block if your current behaviour continues. [[User:Rpeh|rpeh]] •[[User_Talk:Rpeh|T]]•[[Special:Contributions/Rpeh|C]]•[[Special:Emailuser/Rpeh|E]]• 00:40, 14 December 2010 (UTC)ok fine im sorry.

Morrowind talk:Vivec (god)

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Morrowind talk:Vivec (god)

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Morrowind talk:Vivec (god)

2010-12-14T00:57:04Z

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Morrowind talk:Vivec (god)

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User talk:67.199.164.42

2010-12-14T00:36:34Z

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User talk:67.199.164.42

2010-12-14T00:25:46Z

67.199.164.42: /* Trials */

== Trials ==

Re your comment "wtf she wont arrange a meeting with me and ive fulfilled the trials":

1) You posted it on the talk page for an image, not the quest.

2) If you mean Vivec, he's male, not female.

3) You need to be more descriptive. Please tell us who you're talking to, and what the last quest you did was. While you're at it, reading the quest pages '''thoroughly''' will probably help.

Thanks. [[User:Rpeh|rpeh]] •[[User_Talk:Rpeh|T]]•[[Special:Contributions/Rpeh|C]]•[[Special:Emailuser/Rpeh|E]]• 23:33, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

:well i did the the fourth and fifth trial and she wont arrange a meating for the main quest {{unsigned|67.199.164.42|18:38, December 13, 2010}}

::Sign your posts please. And it's "meeting". You're not involving dead animals. --[[User:DKong27|DKong27]] [[User_talk:DKong27|Talk]] [[Special:Contributions/DKong27|Cont]] 23:41, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

::(e/c)You obviously haven't read what I said, since you keep referring to Vivec as female. Read the pages properly before posting again. [[User:Rpeh|rpeh]] •[[User_Talk:Rpeh|T]]•[[Special:Contributions/Rpeh|C]]•[[Special:Emailuser/Rpeh|E]]• 23:44, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

::: i know that Vivic IS a MALE not a FEMALE {{unsigned|67.199.164.42|13 December 2010}}

:::: Post properly and stop being overly-emotional or I'm going to block you. Write down exactly what your problem is, what you've done and what you've tried. If you won't treat this site with respect, we're not going to treat you with respect. Understand? [[User:Rpeh|rpeh]] •[[User_Talk:Rpeh|T]]•[[Special:Contributions/Rpeh|C]]•[[Special:Emailuser/Rpeh|E]]• 23:48, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

::::: Unless you post a proper question, describing exactly what you're trying to do and what your problem is, there's nothing we can do to help. Furthermore, you're just annoying people. Post a proper question or leave. Which is it to be? [[User:Rpeh|rpeh]] •[[User_Talk:Rpeh|T]]•[[Special:Contributions/Rpeh|C]]•[[Special:Emailuser/Rpeh|E]]• 23:55, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

::::::I gotta say, who is the she you keep mentioning? The one who arranges the meeting is the Archcanon. See [[Morrowind:Hortator_and_Nerevarine|quest page]]. --[[User:DKong27|DKong27]] [[User_talk:DKong27|Talk]] [[Special:Contributions/DKong27|Cont]] 23:56, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

::::::: one thing im looking at Danso Indules and she wont say anything about the meeting.What do i do?{{unsigned|67.199.164.42}}

:::::::: What is her greeting? What is her topic "meet the archcanon"? --[[User:Brf|Brf]] 00:13, 14 December 2010 (UTC)her greeting is like evertyone in there. you? The nerevini puti lies so ya thats pretty much it

User talk:67.199.164.42

2010-12-14T00:02:45Z

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== Trials ==

Re your comment "wtf she wont arrange a meeting with me and ive fulfilled the trials":

1) You posted it on the talk page for an image, not the quest.

2) If you mean Vivec, he's male, not female.

3) You need to be more descriptive. Please tell us who you're talking to, and what the last quest you did was. While you're at it, reading the quest pages '''thoroughly''' will probably help.

Thanks. [[User:Rpeh|rpeh]] •[[User_Talk:Rpeh|T]]•[[Special:Contributions/Rpeh|C]]•[[Special:Emailuser/Rpeh|E]]• 23:33, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

:well i did the the fourth and fifth trial and she wont arrange a meating for the main quest {{unsigned|67.199.164.42|18:38, December 13, 2010}}

::Sign your posts please. And it's "meeting". You're not involving dead animals. --[[User:DKong27|DKong27]] [[User_talk:DKong27|Talk]] [[Special:Contributions/DKong27|Cont]] 23:41, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

::(e/c)You obviously haven't read what I said, since you keep referring to Vivec as female. Read the pages properly before posting again. [[User:Rpeh|rpeh]] •[[User_Talk:Rpeh|T]]•[[Special:Contributions/Rpeh|C]]•[[Special:Emailuser/Rpeh|E]]• 23:44, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

::: i know that Vivic IS a MALE not a FEMALE {{unsigned|67.199.164.42|13 December 2010}}

:::: Post properly and stop being overly-emotional or I'm going to block you. Write down exactly what your problem is, what you've done and what you've tried. If you won't treat this site with respect, we're not going to treat you with respect. Understand? [[User:Rpeh|rpeh]] •[[User_Talk:Rpeh|T]]•[[Special:Contributions/Rpeh|C]]•[[Special:Emailuser/Rpeh|E]]• 23:48, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

::::: Unless you post a proper question, describing exactly what you're trying to do and what your problem is, there's nothing we can do to help. Furthermore, you're just annoying people. Post a proper question or leave. Which is it to be? [[User:Rpeh|rpeh]] •[[User_Talk:Rpeh|T]]•[[Special:Contributions/Rpeh|C]]•[[Special:Emailuser/Rpeh|E]]• 23:55, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

::::::I gotta say, who is the she you keep mentioning? The one who arranges the meeting is the Archcanon. See [[Morrowind:Hortator_and_Nerevarine|quest page]]. --[[User:DKong27|DKong27]] [[User_talk:DKong27|Talk]] [[Special:Contributions/DKong27|Cont]] 23:56, 13 December 2010 (UTC)one thing im looking at Danso Indules and she wont say anything about the meeting.What do i do?

User talk:67.199.164.42

2010-12-13T23:57:03Z

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== Trials ==

Re your comment "wtf she wont arrange a meeting with me and ive fulfilled the trials":

1) You posted it on the talk page for an image, not the quest.

2) If you mean Vivec, he's male, not female.

3) You need to be more descriptive. Please tell us who you're talking to, and what the last quest you did was. While you're at it, reading the quest pages '''thoroughly''' will probably help.

Thanks. [[User:Rpeh|rpeh]] •[[User_Talk:Rpeh|T]]•[[Special:Contributions/Rpeh|C]]•[[Special:Emailuser/Rpeh|E]]• 23:33, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

:well i did the the fourth and fifth trial and she wont arrange a meating for the main quest {{unsigned|67.199.164.42|18:38, December 13, 2010}}

::Sign your posts please. And it's "meeting". You're not involving dead animals. --[[User:DKong27|DKong27]] [[User_talk:DKong27|Talk]] [[Special:Contributions/DKong27|Cont]] 23:41, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

::(e/c)You obviously haven't read what I said, since you keep referring to Vivec as female. Read the pages properly before posting again. [[User:Rpeh|rpeh]] •[[User_Talk:Rpeh|T]]•[[Special:Contributions/Rpeh|C]]•[[Special:Emailuser/Rpeh|E]]• 23:44, 13 December 2010 (UTC)So iv done every trial all i need is to arrange the meeting but she wont arrange it.What do i do?

::: i know that Vivic IS a MALE not a FEMALE {{unsigned|67.199.164.42|13 December 2010}}

:::: Post properly and stop being overly-emotional or I'm going to block you. Write down exactly what your problem is, what you've done and what you've tried. If you won't treat this site with respect, we're not going to treat you with respect. Understand? [[User:Rpeh|rpeh]] •[[User_Talk:Rpeh|T]]•[[Special:Contributions/Rpeh|C]]•[[Special:Emailuser/Rpeh|E]]• 23:48, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

::::: Unless you post a proper question, describing exactly what you're trying to do and what your problem is, there's nothing we can do to help. Furthermore, you're just annoying people. Post a proper question or leave. Which is it to be? [[User:Rpeh|rpeh]] •[[User_Talk:Rpeh|T]]•[[Special:Contributions/Rpeh|C]]•[[Special:Emailuser/Rpeh|E]]• 23:55, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

::::::I gotta say, who is the she you keep mentioning? The one who arranges the meeting is the Archcanon. See [[Morrowind:Hortator_and_Nerevarine|quest page]]. --[[User:DKong27|DKong27]] [[User_talk:DKong27|Talk]] [[Special:Contributions/DKong27|Cont]] 23:56, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

Morrowind talk:Vivec (god)

2010-12-13T23:55:01Z

67.199.164.42: /* Strategy For Killing Vivec */

I disagree with the following paragraph:

"They then went against Nerevar's dying wish by using the profane Tools of Kagrenac on the Heart of Lorkhan in order to steal its divine essence for themselves. They achieved great heroism with their divinity, but it was also their undoing; because they worked deeds of good against the evil of the Heart they were weakened even before the return of Dagoth-Ur, Nerevar's nemesis. Dagoth-Ur, who had also stolen power from the Heart, acted in accordance with its evil and grew stronger."

The Heart of Lorkhan isn't evil, just a very powerful artifact. The Tribunal members used its power to gain divine powers, by tapping it once in a while with Kagernac's tools. Their power was not sustainable, so the had to re-imbue themselves every time with the Heart's power, when their energy was running low. When Dagoth Ur came back to life, he regained control over the Tool and the Heart, thus the Tribunal members could no longer reimbue themselves and they grew weaker and weaker with time.

"Dagor-Ur [...] acted in accordance with its evil and grew stonger." signals a big misunderstanding somewhere.

[[User:Ralleyon|Ralleyon]] 03:57, 29 June 2008 (EDT)
:Sithis created Lorkhan to kill the Aedra, making him evil to do this. This would make Lorkhan's heart evil, would it not?--[[User:Drake3555|Drake3555]] 19:38, 5 August 2008 (EDT)
I think I know which book you read to come up with that, and let me say that is you want to learn about the topic, you shouldn't start there.[[User:Temple-Zero|Temple-Zero]] 19:47, 5 August 2008 (EDT)

::Well, the whole "What happened at Red Mountain" section is under reconstruction. The [[Lore:Heart of Lorkhan]] is what stabilized [[Lore:Mundus|Mundus]]' & [[Lore:Nirn|Nirn]] existence (among other stones & towers), keeping the planes separated, without the continued presence of the gods. Talking about this in terms of good/evil is not very helpful, I think. --[[User:Benould|Benould]]•[[User_Talk:Benould|T]]•[[Special:Contributions/Benould|C]] 19:53, 5 August 2008 (EDT)

'He has saved the Dunmeri people from certain death on numerous occasions, most notably when he taught them how to breathe water so that he could flood Morrowind and kill the Akaviri invaders, c. 2E 572.'

I recall this being from some of the Temple documents, and thus slightly dubious. Teaching a group of dunmer to breath water so that they could spring/be bait in an ambush I could understand, since I think Vivec would be powerful enough to flood a moderate area. It would have been something like the battler against the Empire referenced in ''2920, The Last Year of the First Era''. But flooding an entire province? I'm not sure all the daedra working together could do that. I also doubt that every mer in Morrowind could successfully water breath for long enough to drown the invaders.

I'm not sure this should be listed as factual, which it currently appears to be. ~Morgrim

== Vivec's Health After Main Quest ==

Added a mention of what happens (or rather doesn't) when you kill Vivec after you've beaten the Main Quest. Would anyone happen to know his exact HP? (It is definitely under 3000, if not 1000.) -[[Special:Contributions/71.249.111.52|71.249.111.52]] 13:09, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

:Odd, I've just given it a check on my save game... still has it as 3000.--{{unsigned|203.59.20.221}}

== Note Verification ==

I'm moving [http://i38.tinypic.com/qns57r.jpg this link] that was offered as verification for the following note:
:If you kill Vivec after you finish the Main Quest, he has much less health and will leave no corpse, soul, or the [[Morrowind:Yagrum_Bagarn_and_Wraithguard#God-Killer|Back Path]] [[Morrowind:Wraithguard|left-handed Wraithguard]] since it is no longer necessary. Instead, you are simply left with the message "''The Heart of Lorkhan is no more, and Vivec and his {{sic|innatural|unnatural}} powers dissolved with it.''"
I don't buy a screenshot as hard evidence for this, but since I'm not sure I wanted to start a discussion about it. Can anyone else help out with this? –[[User:Eshe|Eshe]][[User talk:Eshe|talk]] 02:45, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

After finishing the main quest i killed vivec, but i just get the information that i killed an immportant character and i could loot the corpse for the wraithguard.
There is a bug also when i talk to other people abaout almalexia. Theres an option that i found Sotha sil dead and that i killed almalexia AND vivec, also vivec is still living.

::Yeah, you can kill Almalexia before the showdown (although you'd have to fight her 4 near-invincible guards to do it) and no one in Mournhold will care or notice. However, Vivec can die with that message and without giving up his version of Wraithguard, but it seems to show up only if you meet some seemingly weird conditions. -[[Special:Contributions/71.247.37.33|71.247.37.33]] 15:48, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

:::When someone can tell us what those conditions are, we can add it to the page. Otherwise, we can't really call it accurate, since I've got two Wraithguards.--[[User:Ratwar|Ratwar]] 22:18, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

::::No. There is a screenshot showing this to be true, so it should definitely be mentioned on the article until somebody can show that it is NOT true. The burden of proof is on you here, Ratwar. [[Special:Contributions/89.168.79.167|89.168.79.167]] 23:05, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

Whoa, can we please quit reverting this edit until we get more information? I don't see any problem with leaving the note and verification tag in place for now. The reason we have doubts about the screenshot is because we don't have any way of knowing whether this screenshot was in any way altered or what version of the game it comes from. For all we know, the shot is from a modified version of the game, which means it doesn't apply to the article. In any case, I'd appreciate it if everyone would discuss it here instead of arguing back and forth through edit summaries. –[[User:Eshe|Eshe]][[User talk:Eshe|talk]] 23:37, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

: Sorry... was that not what I just did? I posted on the talk page to explain why deleting the information was wrong. What else should I have done, Eshe?
: I must confess I haven't seen the message myself, but the information should not be dismissed until it is clear that the message came from a mod. [[Special:Contributions/89.168.46.238|89.168.46.238]] 00:22, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

::Er...that comment was addressed to everyone. I didn't mean to imply you'd done the wrong thing; I was simply requesting that everyone move to a discussion rather than an edit war. Sorry! I should have been more clear. –[[User:Eshe|Eshe]][[User talk:Eshe|talk]] 00:27, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

:::Searching the construction set for that particular phrase, I couldn't find anything. And yes, I checked the GMTS too. The fact that that line is absent suggests without much doubt that the entire event does not exist. The screenshot could as easily be from a mod. There might be a difference in versions here (GOTY vs. classic) but I seriously doubt that this case. Since Ratwar has been unable to reproduce the event as well, I opt to remove the note from the article. --[[User:Timenn|Timenn]]-<[[User talk:Timenn|talk]]> 09:43, 12 November 2009 (UTC)
::::I have now gone back and verified in game that no such text appears. This was gone on a basically clean install of Morrowind without either of the expansions. I have failed to see anything that points to this being accurate in either the Construction Set or the actual Game itself. The single screen has now been confirmed false by myself, Timenn, and 79.199.199.180. Now it is still possible that the text itself is added by one of the expansions, though I highly doubt it. Therefore, until someone can list the circumstances that leads to this message appearing, I have removed it from the page.--[[User:Ratwar|Ratwar]] 06:27, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

== Strategy For Killing Vivec ==

What's a good strategy for killing Vivec? Is there a minimum level for it to even be possible? [[User:MrSensiBob|MrSensiBob]] 00:04, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

: Make sure you have a lot of health and a high hit chance.[[User:Kinvalor75|Kinvalor75]] 20:30, 1 August 2010 (UTC)

::Just dodge his spells for a while until he runs out of magicka. He's cake when he just uses hand to hand. {{unsigned|76.2.97.167|1 August 2010}}

::: He's just like any other foe, but tougher. Level up. Now please stop this discussion because it's not related to improving the article. [[User:Rpeh|rpeh]] •[[User_Talk:Rpeh|T]]•[[Special:Contributions/Rpeh|C]]•[[Special:Emailuser/Rpeh|E]]• 21:40, 1 August 2010 (UTC)

::::I believe this page could use a bit of talk about actually fighting Vivec as I know a lot of people would enjoy that and there is such strategy talk for many lesser enemies. Even though Vivec isn't a necessary fight a brief overview of the fight and everything noteworthy about it as Vivec is an extremely valuable kill as he has the largest soul in vanilla and is second only to Alma even when playing with the expansions. But yes if someone is still reading this for the strategy part just let him waste his magicka and keep your fatigue up (as with all serious fights sanctuary is a huge benefit). [[Special:Contributions/88.194.21.147|88.194.21.147]] 20:05, 7 August 2010 (UTC)well you can just use cheats to kill Vivec its easy(only on xbox verson.)

User talk:67.199.164.42

2010-12-13T23:52:50Z

67.199.164.42: /* Trials */

Morrowind talk:Vivec (god)

2010-12-13T23:50:30Z

67.199.164.42: /* She Wont Do It! */ new section

I disagree with the following paragraph:

"They then went against Nerevar's dying wish by using the profane Tools of Kagrenac on the Heart of Lorkhan in order to steal its divine essence for themselves. They achieved great heroism with their divinity, but it was also their undoing; because they worked deeds of good against the evil of the Heart they were weakened even before the return of Dagoth-Ur, Nerevar's nemesis. Dagoth-Ur, who had also stolen power from the Heart, acted in accordance with its evil and grew stronger."

The Heart of Lorkhan isn't evil, just a very powerful artifact. The Tribunal members used its power to gain divine powers, by tapping it once in a while with Kagernac's tools. Their power was not sustainable, so the had to re-imbue themselves every time with the Heart's power, when their energy was running low. When Dagoth Ur came back to life, he regained control over the Tool and the Heart, thus the Tribunal members could no longer reimbue themselves and they grew weaker and weaker with time.

"Dagor-Ur [...] acted in accordance with its evil and grew stonger." signals a big misunderstanding somewhere.

[[User:Ralleyon|Ralleyon]] 03:57, 29 June 2008 (EDT)
:Sithis created Lorkhan to kill the Aedra, making him evil to do this. This would make Lorkhan's heart evil, would it not?--[[User:Drake3555|Drake3555]] 19:38, 5 August 2008 (EDT)
I think I know which book you read to come up with that, and let me say that is you want to learn about the topic, you shouldn't start there.[[User:Temple-Zero|Temple-Zero]] 19:47, 5 August 2008 (EDT)

::Well, the whole "What happened at Red Mountain" section is under reconstruction. The [[Lore:Heart of Lorkhan]] is what stabilized [[Lore:Mundus|Mundus]]' & [[Lore:Nirn|Nirn]] existence (among other stones & towers), keeping the planes separated, without the continued presence of the gods. Talking about this in terms of good/evil is not very helpful, I think. --[[User:Benould|Benould]]•[[User_Talk:Benould|T]]•[[Special:Contributions/Benould|C]] 19:53, 5 August 2008 (EDT)

'He has saved the Dunmeri people from certain death on numerous occasions, most notably when he taught them how to breathe water so that he could flood Morrowind and kill the Akaviri invaders, c. 2E 572.'

I recall this being from some of the Temple documents, and thus slightly dubious. Teaching a group of dunmer to breath water so that they could spring/be bait in an ambush I could understand, since I think Vivec would be powerful enough to flood a moderate area. It would have been something like the battler against the Empire referenced in ''2920, The Last Year of the First Era''. But flooding an entire province? I'm not sure all the daedra working together could do that. I also doubt that every mer in Morrowind could successfully water breath for long enough to drown the invaders.

I'm not sure this should be listed as factual, which it currently appears to be. ~Morgrim

== Vivec's Health After Main Quest ==

Added a mention of what happens (or rather doesn't) when you kill Vivec after you've beaten the Main Quest. Would anyone happen to know his exact HP? (It is definitely under 3000, if not 1000.) -[[Special:Contributions/71.249.111.52|71.249.111.52]] 13:09, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

:Odd, I've just given it a check on my save game... still has it as 3000.--{{unsigned|203.59.20.221}}

== Note Verification ==

I'm moving [http://i38.tinypic.com/qns57r.jpg this link] that was offered as verification for the following note:
:If you kill Vivec after you finish the Main Quest, he has much less health and will leave no corpse, soul, or the [[Morrowind:Yagrum_Bagarn_and_Wraithguard#God-Killer|Back Path]] [[Morrowind:Wraithguard|left-handed Wraithguard]] since it is no longer necessary. Instead, you are simply left with the message "''The Heart of Lorkhan is no more, and Vivec and his {{sic|innatural|unnatural}} powers dissolved with it.''"
I don't buy a screenshot as hard evidence for this, but since I'm not sure I wanted to start a discussion about it. Can anyone else help out with this? –[[User:Eshe|Eshe]][[User talk:Eshe|talk]] 02:45, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

After finishing the main quest i killed vivec, but i just get the information that i killed an immportant character and i could loot the corpse for the wraithguard.
There is a bug also when i talk to other people abaout almalexia. Theres an option that i found Sotha sil dead and that i killed almalexia AND vivec, also vivec is still living.

::Yeah, you can kill Almalexia before the showdown (although you'd have to fight her 4 near-invincible guards to do it) and no one in Mournhold will care or notice. However, Vivec can die with that message and without giving up his version of Wraithguard, but it seems to show up only if you meet some seemingly weird conditions. -[[Special:Contributions/71.247.37.33|71.247.37.33]] 15:48, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

:::When someone can tell us what those conditions are, we can add it to the page. Otherwise, we can't really call it accurate, since I've got two Wraithguards.--[[User:Ratwar|Ratwar]] 22:18, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

::::No. There is a screenshot showing this to be true, so it should definitely be mentioned on the article until somebody can show that it is NOT true. The burden of proof is on you here, Ratwar. [[Special:Contributions/89.168.79.167|89.168.79.167]] 23:05, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

Whoa, can we please quit reverting this edit until we get more information? I don't see any problem with leaving the note and verification tag in place for now. The reason we have doubts about the screenshot is because we don't have any way of knowing whether this screenshot was in any way altered or what version of the game it comes from. For all we know, the shot is from a modified version of the game, which means it doesn't apply to the article. In any case, I'd appreciate it if everyone would discuss it here instead of arguing back and forth through edit summaries. –[[User:Eshe|Eshe]][[User talk:Eshe|talk]] 23:37, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

: Sorry... was that not what I just did? I posted on the talk page to explain why deleting the information was wrong. What else should I have done, Eshe?
: I must confess I haven't seen the message myself, but the information should not be dismissed until it is clear that the message came from a mod. [[Special:Contributions/89.168.46.238|89.168.46.238]] 00:22, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

::Er...that comment was addressed to everyone. I didn't mean to imply you'd done the wrong thing; I was simply requesting that everyone move to a discussion rather than an edit war. Sorry! I should have been more clear. –[[User:Eshe|Eshe]][[User talk:Eshe|talk]] 00:27, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

:::Searching the construction set for that particular phrase, I couldn't find anything. And yes, I checked the GMTS too. The fact that that line is absent suggests without much doubt that the entire event does not exist. The screenshot could as easily be from a mod. There might be a difference in versions here (GOTY vs. classic) but I seriously doubt that this case. Since Ratwar has been unable to reproduce the event as well, I opt to remove the note from the article. --[[User:Timenn|Timenn]]-<[[User talk:Timenn|talk]]> 09:43, 12 November 2009 (UTC)
::::I have now gone back and verified in game that no such text appears. This was gone on a basically clean install of Morrowind without either of the expansions. I have failed to see anything that points to this being accurate in either the Construction Set or the actual Game itself. The single screen has now been confirmed false by myself, Timenn, and 79.199.199.180. Now it is still possible that the text itself is added by one of the expansions, though I highly doubt it. Therefore, until someone can list the circumstances that leads to this message appearing, I have removed it from the page.--[[User:Ratwar|Ratwar]] 06:27, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

== Strategy For Killing Vivec ==

What's a good strategy for killing Vivec? Is there a minimum level for it to even be possible? [[User:MrSensiBob|MrSensiBob]] 00:04, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

: Make sure you have a lot of health and a high hit chance.[[User:Kinvalor75|Kinvalor75]] 20:30, 1 August 2010 (UTC)

::Just dodge his spells for a while until he runs out of magicka. He's cake when he just uses hand to hand. {{unsigned|76.2.97.167|1 August 2010}}

::: He's just like any other foe, but tougher. Level up. Now please stop this discussion because it's not related to improving the article. [[User:Rpeh|rpeh]] •[[User_Talk:Rpeh|T]]•[[Special:Contributions/Rpeh|C]]•[[Special:Emailuser/Rpeh|E]]• 21:40, 1 August 2010 (UTC)

::::I believe this page could use a bit of talk about actually fighting Vivec as I know a lot of people would enjoy that and there is such strategy talk for many lesser enemies. Even though Vivec isn't a necessary fight a brief overview of the fight and everything noteworthy about it as Vivec is an extremely valuable kill as he has the largest soul in vanilla and is second only to Alma even when playing with the expansions. But yes if someone is still reading this for the strategy part just let him waste his magicka and keep your fatigue up (as with all serious fights sanctuary is a huge benefit). [[Special:Contributions/88.194.21.147|88.194.21.147]] 20:05, 7 August 2010 (UTC)

== She Wont Do It! ==

What do i do iv'e done the fourth trial and the fifth trial and she wont do it. What do i do?

User talk:67.199.164.42

2010-12-13T23:46:46Z

67.199.164.42: im not an idiot

User talk:67.199.164.42

2010-12-13T23:44:17Z

67.199.164.42: wont arrange the stupid meeting

Morrowind talk:Vivec (god)

2010-12-13T23:42:46Z

67.199.164.42: she wont do it

I disagree with the following paragraph:

"They then went against Nerevar's dying wish by using the profane Tools of Kagrenac on the Heart of Lorkhan in order to steal its divine essence for themselves. They achieved great heroism with their divinity, but it was also their undoing; because they worked deeds of good against the evil of the Heart they were weakened even before the return of Dagoth-Ur, Nerevar's nemesis. Dagoth-Ur, who had also stolen power from the Heart, acted in accordance with its evil and grew stronger."

The Heart of Lorkhan isn't evil, just a very powerful artifact. The Tribunal members used its power to gain divine powers, by tapping it once in a while with Kagernac's tools. Their power was not sustainable, so the had to re-imbue themselves every time with the Heart's power, when their energy was running low. When Dagoth Ur came back to life, he regained control over the Tool and the Heart, thus the Tribunal members could no longer reimbue themselves and they grew weaker and weaker with time.

"Dagor-Ur [...] acted in accordance with its evil and grew stonger." signals a big misunderstanding somewhere.

[[User:Ralleyon|Ralleyon]] 03:57, 29 June 2008 (EDT)
:Sithis created Lorkhan to kill the Aedra, making him evil to do this. This would make Lorkhan's heart evil, would it not?--[[User:Drake3555|Drake3555]] 19:38, 5 August 2008 (EDT)
I think I know which book you read to come up with that, and let me say that is you want to learn about the topic, you shouldn't start there.[[User:Temple-Zero|Temple-Zero]] 19:47, 5 August 2008 (EDT)

::Well, the whole "What happened at Red Mountain" section is under reconstruction. The [[Lore:Heart of Lorkhan]] is what stabilized [[Lore:Mundus|Mundus]]' & [[Lore:Nirn|Nirn]] existence (among other stones & towers), keeping the planes separated, without the continued presence of the gods. Talking about this in terms of good/evil is not very helpful, I think. --[[User:Benould|Benould]]•[[User_Talk:Benould|T]]•[[Special:Contributions/Benould|C]] 19:53, 5 August 2008 (EDT)im so mad its not letting me arrange the meading

'He has saved the Dunmeri people from certain death on numerous occasions, most notably when he taught them how to breathe water so that he could flood Morrowind and kill the Akaviri invaders, c. 2E 572.'

I recall this being from some of the Temple documents, and thus slightly dubious. Teaching a group of dunmer to breath water so that they could spring/be bait in an ambush I could understand, since I think Vivec would be powerful enough to flood a moderate area. It would have been something like the battler against the Empire referenced in ''2920, The Last Year of the First Era''. But flooding an entire province? I'm not sure all the daedra working together could do that. I also doubt that every mer in Morrowind could successfully water breath for long enough to drown the invaders.

I'm not sure this should be listed as factual, which it currently appears to be. ~Morgrim

== Vivec's Health After Main Quest ==

Added a mention of what happens (or rather doesn't) when you kill Vivec after you've beaten the Main Quest. Would anyone happen to know his exact HP? (It is definitely under 3000, if not 1000.) -[[Special:Contributions/71.249.111.52|71.249.111.52]] 13:09, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

:Odd, I've just given it a check on my save game... still has it as 3000.--{{unsigned|203.59.20.221}}iv done every thing and she wont arrange a meating with that one guy

== Note Verification ==

I'm moving [http://i38.tinypic.com/qns57r.jpg this link] that was offered as verification for the following note:
:If you kill Vivec after you finish the Main Quest, he has much less health and will leave no corpse, soul, or the [[Morrowind:Yagrum_Bagarn_and_Wraithguard#God-Killer|Back Path]] [[Morrowind:Wraithguard|left-handed Wraithguard]] since it is no longer necessary. Instead, you are simply left with the message "''The Heart of Lorkhan is no more, and Vivec and his {{sic|innatural|unnatural}} powers dissolved with it.''"
I don't buy a screenshot as hard evidence for this, but since I'm not sure I wanted to start a discussion about it. Can anyone else help out with this? –[[User:Eshe|Eshe]][[User talk:Eshe|talk]] 02:45, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

After finishing the main quest i killed vivec, but i just get the information that i killed an immportant character and i could loot the corpse for the wraithguard.
There is a bug also when i talk to other people abaout almalexia. Theres an option that i found Sotha sil dead and that i killed almalexia AND vivec, also vivec is still living.

::Yeah, you can kill Almalexia before the showdown (although you'd have to fight her 4 near-invincible guards to do it) and no one in Mournhold will care or notice. However, Vivec can die with that message and without giving up his version of Wraithguard, but it seems to show up only if you meet some seemingly weird conditions. -[[Special:Contributions/71.247.37.33|71.247.37.33]] 15:48, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

:::When someone can tell us what those conditions are, we can add it to the page. Otherwise, we can't really call it accurate, since I've got two Wraithguards.--[[User:Ratwar|Ratwar]] 22:18, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

::::No. There is a screenshot showing this to be true, so it should definitely be mentioned on the article until somebody can show that it is NOT true. The burden of proof is on you here, Ratwar. [[Special:Contributions/89.168.79.167|89.168.79.167]] 23:05, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

Whoa, can we please quit reverting this edit until we get more information? I don't see any problem with leaving the note and verification tag in place for now. The reason we have doubts about the screenshot is because we don't have any way of knowing whether this screenshot was in any way altered or what version of the game it comes from. For all we know, the shot is from a modified version of the game, which means it doesn't apply to the article. In any case, I'd appreciate it if everyone would discuss it here instead of arguing back and forth through edit summaries. –[[User:Eshe|Eshe]][[User talk:Eshe|talk]] 23:37, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

: Sorry... was that not what I just did? I posted on the talk page to explain why deleting the information was wrong. What else should I have done, Eshe?
: I must confess I haven't seen the message myself, but the information should not be dismissed until it is clear that the message came from a mod. [[Special:Contributions/89.168.46.238|89.168.46.238]] 00:22, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

::Er...that comment was addressed to everyone. I didn't mean to imply you'd done the wrong thing; I was simply requesting that everyone move to a discussion rather than an edit war. Sorry! I should have been more clear. –[[User:Eshe|Eshe]][[User talk:Eshe|talk]] 00:27, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

:::Searching the construction set for that particular phrase, I couldn't find anything. And yes, I checked the GMTS too. The fact that that line is absent suggests without much doubt that the entire event does not exist. The screenshot could as easily be from a mod. There might be a difference in versions here (GOTY vs. classic) but I seriously doubt that this case. Since Ratwar has been unable to reproduce the event as well, I opt to remove the note from the article. --[[User:Timenn|Timenn]]-<[[User talk:Timenn|talk]]> 09:43, 12 November 2009 (UTC)
::::I have now gone back and verified in game that no such text appears. This was gone on a basically clean install of Morrowind without either of the expansions. I have failed to see anything that points to this being accurate in either the Construction Set or the actual Game itself. The single screen has now been confirmed false by myself, Timenn, and 79.199.199.180. Now it is still possible that the text itself is added by one of the expansions, though I highly doubt it. Therefore, until someone can list the circumstances that leads to this message appearing, I have removed it from the page.--[[User:Ratwar|Ratwar]] 06:27, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

== Strategy For Killing Vivec ==

What's a good strategy for killing Vivec? Is there a minimum level for it to even be possible? [[User:MrSensiBob|MrSensiBob]] 00:04, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

: Make sure you have a lot of health and a high hit chance.[[User:Kinvalor75|Kinvalor75]] 20:30, 1 August 2010 (UTC)

::Just dodge his spells for a while until he runs out of magicka. He's cake when he just uses hand to hand. {{unsigned|76.2.97.167|1 August 2010}}

::: He's just like any other foe, but tougher. Level up. Now please stop this discussion because it's not related to improving the article. [[User:Rpeh|rpeh]] •[[User_Talk:Rpeh|T]]•[[Special:Contributions/Rpeh|C]]•[[Special:Emailuser/Rpeh|E]]• 21:40, 1 August 2010 (UTC)

::::I believe this page could use a bit of talk about actually fighting Vivec as I know a lot of people would enjoy that and there is such strategy talk for many lesser enemies. Even though Vivec isn't a necessary fight a brief overview of the fight and everything noteworthy about it as Vivec is an extremely valuable kill as he has the largest soul in vanilla and is second only to Alma even when playing with the expansions. But yes if someone is still reading this for the strategy part just let him waste his magicka and keep your fatigue up (as with all serious fights sanctuary is a huge benefit). [[Special:Contributions/88.194.21.147|88.194.21.147]] 20:05, 7 August 2010 (UTC)

Morrowind talk:Vivec (god)

2010-12-13T23:41:44Z

67.199.164.42: WTF

I disagree with the following paragraph:

"They then went against Nerevar's dying wish by using the profane Tools of Kagrenac on the Heart of Lorkhan in order to steal its divine essence for themselves. They achieved great heroism with their divinity, but it was also their undoing; because they worked deeds of good against the evil of the Heart they were weakened even before the return of Dagoth-Ur, Nerevar's nemesis. Dagoth-Ur, who had also stolen power from the Heart, acted in accordance with its evil and grew stronger."

The Heart of Lorkhan isn't evil, just a very powerful artifact. The Tribunal members used its power to gain divine powers, by tapping it once in a while with Kagernac's tools. Their power was not sustainable, so the had to re-imbue themselves every time with the Heart's power, when their energy was running low. When Dagoth Ur came back to life, he regained control over the Tool and the Heart, thus the Tribunal members could no longer reimbue themselves and they grew weaker and weaker with time.

"Dagor-Ur [...] acted in accordance with its evil and grew stonger." signals a big misunderstanding somewhere.

[[User:Ralleyon|Ralleyon]] 03:57, 29 June 2008 (EDT)
:Sithis created Lorkhan to kill the Aedra, making him evil to do this. This would make Lorkhan's heart evil, would it not?--[[User:Drake3555|Drake3555]] 19:38, 5 August 2008 (EDT)
I think I know which book you read to come up with that, and let me say that is you want to learn about the topic, you shouldn't start there.[[User:Temple-Zero|Temple-Zero]] 19:47, 5 August 2008 (EDT)

::Well, the whole "What happened at Red Mountain" section is under reconstruction. The [[Lore:Heart of Lorkhan]] is what stabilized [[Lore:Mundus|Mundus]]' & [[Lore:Nirn|Nirn]] existence (among other stones & towers), keeping the planes separated, without the continued presence of the gods. Talking about this in terms of good/evil is not very helpful, I think. --[[User:Benould|Benould]]•[[User_Talk:Benould|T]]•[[Special:Contributions/Benould|C]] 19:53, 5 August 2008 (EDT)im so mad its not letting me arrange the meading

'He has saved the Dunmeri people from certain death on numerous occasions, most notably when he taught them how to breathe water so that he could flood Morrowind and kill the Akaviri invaders, c. 2E 572.'

I recall this being from some of the Temple documents, and thus slightly dubious. Teaching a group of dunmer to breath water so that they could spring/be bait in an ambush I could understand, since I think Vivec would be powerful enough to flood a moderate area. It would have been something like the battler against the Empire referenced in ''2920, The Last Year of the First Era''. But flooding an entire province? I'm not sure all the daedra working together could do that. I also doubt that every mer in Morrowind could successfully water breath for long enough to drown the invaders.

I'm not sure this should be listed as factual, which it currently appears to be. ~Morgrim

== Vivec's Health After Main Quest ==

Added a mention of what happens (or rather doesn't) when you kill Vivec after you've beaten the Main Quest. Would anyone happen to know his exact HP? (It is definitely under 3000, if not 1000.) -[[Special:Contributions/71.249.111.52|71.249.111.52]] 13:09, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

:Odd, I've just given it a check on my save game... still has it as 3000.--{{unsigned|203.59.20.221}}

== Note Verification ==

I'm moving [http://i38.tinypic.com/qns57r.jpg this link] that was offered as verification for the following note:
:If you kill Vivec after you finish the Main Quest, he has much less health and will leave no corpse, soul, or the [[Morrowind:Yagrum_Bagarn_and_Wraithguard#God-Killer|Back Path]] [[Morrowind:Wraithguard|left-handed Wraithguard]] since it is no longer necessary. Instead, you are simply left with the message "''The Heart of Lorkhan is no more, and Vivec and his {{sic|innatural|unnatural}} powers dissolved with it.''"
I don't buy a screenshot as hard evidence for this, but since I'm not sure I wanted to start a discussion about it. Can anyone else help out with this? –[[User:Eshe|Eshe]][[User talk:Eshe|talk]] 02:45, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

After finishing the main quest i killed vivec, but i just get the information that i killed an immportant character and i could loot the corpse for the wraithguard.
There is a bug also when i talk to other people abaout almalexia. Theres an option that i found Sotha sil dead and that i killed almalexia AND vivec, also vivec is still living.

::Yeah, you can kill Almalexia before the showdown (although you'd have to fight her 4 near-invincible guards to do it) and no one in Mournhold will care or notice. However, Vivec can die with that message and without giving up his version of Wraithguard, but it seems to show up only if you meet some seemingly weird conditions. -[[Special:Contributions/71.247.37.33|71.247.37.33]] 15:48, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

:::When someone can tell us what those conditions are, we can add it to the page. Otherwise, we can't really call it accurate, since I've got two Wraithguards.--[[User:Ratwar|Ratwar]] 22:18, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

::::No. There is a screenshot showing this to be true, so it should definitely be mentioned on the article until somebody can show that it is NOT true. The burden of proof is on you here, Ratwar. [[Special:Contributions/89.168.79.167|89.168.79.167]] 23:05, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

Whoa, can we please quit reverting this edit until we get more information? I don't see any problem with leaving the note and verification tag in place for now. The reason we have doubts about the screenshot is because we don't have any way of knowing whether this screenshot was in any way altered or what version of the game it comes from. For all we know, the shot is from a modified version of the game, which means it doesn't apply to the article. In any case, I'd appreciate it if everyone would discuss it here instead of arguing back and forth through edit summaries. –[[User:Eshe|Eshe]][[User talk:Eshe|talk]] 23:37, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

: Sorry... was that not what I just did? I posted on the talk page to explain why deleting the information was wrong. What else should I have done, Eshe?
: I must confess I haven't seen the message myself, but the information should not be dismissed until it is clear that the message came from a mod. [[Special:Contributions/89.168.46.238|89.168.46.238]] 00:22, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

::Er...that comment was addressed to everyone. I didn't mean to imply you'd done the wrong thing; I was simply requesting that everyone move to a discussion rather than an edit war. Sorry! I should have been more clear. –[[User:Eshe|Eshe]][[User talk:Eshe|talk]] 00:27, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

:::Searching the construction set for that particular phrase, I couldn't find anything. And yes, I checked the GMTS too. The fact that that line is absent suggests without much doubt that the entire event does not exist. The screenshot could as easily be from a mod. There might be a difference in versions here (GOTY vs. classic) but I seriously doubt that this case. Since Ratwar has been unable to reproduce the event as well, I opt to remove the note from the article. --[[User:Timenn|Timenn]]-<[[User talk:Timenn|talk]]> 09:43, 12 November 2009 (UTC)
::::I have now gone back and verified in game that no such text appears. This was gone on a basically clean install of Morrowind without either of the expansions. I have failed to see anything that points to this being accurate in either the Construction Set or the actual Game itself. The single screen has now been confirmed false by myself, Timenn, and 79.199.199.180. Now it is still possible that the text itself is added by one of the expansions, though I highly doubt it. Therefore, until someone can list the circumstances that leads to this message appearing, I have removed it from the page.--[[User:Ratwar|Ratwar]] 06:27, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

== Strategy For Killing Vivec ==

What's a good strategy for killing Vivec? Is there a minimum level for it to even be possible? [[User:MrSensiBob|MrSensiBob]] 00:04, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

: Make sure you have a lot of health and a high hit chance.[[User:Kinvalor75|Kinvalor75]] 20:30, 1 August 2010 (UTC)

::Just dodge his spells for a while until he runs out of magicka. He's cake when he just uses hand to hand. {{unsigned|76.2.97.167|1 August 2010}}

::: He's just like any other foe, but tougher. Level up. Now please stop this discussion because it's not related to improving the article. [[User:Rpeh|rpeh]] •[[User_Talk:Rpeh|T]]•[[Special:Contributions/Rpeh|C]]•[[Special:Emailuser/Rpeh|E]]• 21:40, 1 August 2010 (UTC)

::::I believe this page could use a bit of talk about actually fighting Vivec as I know a lot of people would enjoy that and there is such strategy talk for many lesser enemies. Even though Vivec isn't a necessary fight a brief overview of the fight and everything noteworthy about it as Vivec is an extremely valuable kill as he has the largest soul in vanilla and is second only to Alma even when playing with the expansions. But yes if someone is still reading this for the strategy part just let him waste his magicka and keep your fatigue up (as with all serious fights sanctuary is a huge benefit). [[Special:Contributions/88.194.21.147|88.194.21.147]] 20:05, 7 August 2010 (UTC)

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