Oblivion talk:Easter Eggs

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== Another LOTR reference ==

There's an enchanted Ebony Cuirass called "Horselord's Cuirass". I believe this refers to Théoden, King of Rohan, who wore a full suit of ebony armor before the Battle at Pelennor in "Return of the King". As well, the people of Rohan's army are said to be the "Horse-lords" of Middle Earth.

I love Lord of the Rings, and to me this seems like an obvious reference to Rohan and Théoden.{{Unsigned|Swest666}}

:If the armor isn't random then I'd agree that its a reference to LotR but if its random then I'd say no.--[[User:Raleka|Raleka]] 14:34, 9 April 2011 (UTC)

:: The fact that it's random means nothing as to whether its an Easter egg or not. I'm not well-versed in LotR myself, but this definitely looks like an Ester egg if a reference for all of the above facts could be provided (or if anyone else can confirm them). [[User:Legoless|Legoless]] 15:13, 9 April 2011 (UTC)

::: Link: [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rohan]
:::If you look at the second paragraph of that page, you will notice the regard as "Horse Lords". I'm not sure if the armor in the film is Ebony, but the Ebony armor itself in-game (without the neck braces) bears a striking resemblance to this. [http://www.bonsaiblades.com/assets/images/moviereplicas02/herugrim-swordofkingtheoden03.jpg]] -[[User:Swest666|Swest666]]

::::If remember correctly Ebony was not in Lotr , so I might just be a random thing. [[User:JackTurbo95|JackTurbo95]] 15:27, 9 April 2011 (UTC)

:::::I can't see it being something completely random. The creators of this game took influence from Lord of the Rings. Mithril and Elven armor are in the game, which are both taken as inspiration from it. Just look at the picture, and see if it bears any resemblance to the Ebony Cuirass. I assure you, if it does to you, this enchanted piece of armor (in the script of the game itself) HAS to be an Egg. Whether it was for a quest or not is beyond my scope of knowledge, but it's in there for a reason. --[[User:Swest666|Swest666]]

::::::True. I wish Mithril worked the same on here as in Lotr. Anyway , it does bear resemblance , I was never saying no , all I said was maybe. [[User:JackTurbo95|JackTurbo95]] 15:35, 9 April 2011 (UTC)

:::::::Okay then. I apologize for my outburst. If it's agreed upon, can we pass it? -[[User:Swest666|Swest666]]

{{ec|3}} I think the name of it and the similarity between ebony and that image is proof enough to include it on the article. The armour itself really is just a random levelled list filler, labelled in the CS as 'EnchEbonyCuirassFortHeavyArmor'. [[User:Legoless|Legoless]] 15:39, 9 April 2011 (UTC)

::No worrys. After thinking about it , I think it should be notable. [[User:JackTurbo95|JackTurbo95]] 15:45, 9 April 2011 (UTC)

:::So should I add it? By the way, this discussion is the first post I've made on this wiki. I'm not sure if people are assigned to make posts, or if it's just a D.I.Y. approach. -[[User:Swest666|Swest666]] 16:02, 9 April 2011 (UTC)

:::: Go for it. Make sure to link to [[Oblivion:Horselord's Cuirass]], and maybe put it beside the other LotR bulletpoints? [[User:Legoless|Legoless]] 16:13, 9 April 2011 (UTC)
:::::How exactly would I go about doing that? The page is apparently locked. :P -[[User:Swest666|Swest666]] 16:45, 9 April 2011 (UTC)

:::::: Oh come on everybody, it's not an easter egg at all. Lots of those items have names that refer to other items - just above that cuirass is the "Cuirass of the Juggernaut", but that's not an easter egg about Krishna. The name might come from LOTR, but that doesn't make it an Easter Egg. [[User:Rpeh|rpeh]] •[[User_Talk:Rpeh|T]]•[[Special:Contributions/Rpeh|C]]•[[Special:Emailuser/Rpeh|E]]• 16:23, 9 April 2011 (UTC)

::::::: Additionally, the it's the Rohirrim that are called "Horse Lords", not an individual, and the shield's name refers to one person (Horselord's cuirass). And there is '''no''' similarity between [http://www.bonsaiblades.com/assets/images/moviereplicas02/herugrim-swordofkingtheoden03.jpg Theoden]'s armor and [[:File:OB-item-Ebony Armor.jpg|Ebony Armor]]. [[User:Rpeh|rpeh]] •[[User_Talk:Rpeh|T]]•[[Special:Contributions/Rpeh|C]]•[[Special:Emailuser/Rpeh|E]]• 16:28, 9 April 2011 (UTC)

:::::::: Oops, I've just added it... Should it be removed? I honestly feel that a link between them is present, but as I said I don't know much about LotR. [[User:Legoless|Legoless]] 16:30, 9 April 2011 (UTC)

::::::::: If the Rohirrim are Théoden's army, doesn't that make HIM the Horselord? As well, wouldn't it also be fitting to say that if there were a group of them, and each one was a Horselord, either one could wear this? Not to mention that Bethesda could not recreate this armor, but when you look at it from a broader aspect, it does somewhat resemble it. There is no other reference on this Earth's history I can think of that mentions a Horselord wearing gold-trimmed black armor.[[User:Swest666|Swest666]] 17:02, 9 April 2011 (UTC)

:::::::::: Now you're starting to make stuff up to support this. Nowhere in the books is Theoden referred to as THE Horselord. This is basically the [[wikipedia:Association_fallacy|Association Fallacy]]. Just because "Horse Lords" are mentioned in one place and a "Horselord's Cuirass" in another doesn't mean the two facts are related. [[User:Rpeh|rpeh]] •[[User_Talk:Rpeh|T]]•[[Special:Contributions/Rpeh|C]]•[[Special:Emailuser/Rpeh|E]]• 16:49, 9 April 2011 (UTC)

I never said Théoden was the Horselord. I simply asked, if they are renowned for being Horse-Lords and he was their king, would it not make him "The" Horse-Lord? If you came from a place where your people were named "The Horse-Lords", and you were the highest regard of those people, what would you be called? As well, I know fully well, and everyone else knows fully well, that Théoden's armor and the Full Ebony Set are not identical. That is because New Line Cinema has a copyright on the costumes from the Lord of the Rings franchise. The best Bethesda could do is create a set of armor with the same color scheme (gold-trimmed dark brown) and call it something else. It's not a silly accusation. I'd like to see you take a stab at how they came up with the name "Horselord's Cuirass" for a set of ornate gold-trimmed dark brown armor. Like I said, no other reference exists. It's in the game for a reason. And certainly that reason can't just be to "Fortify Heavy Armor 9 pts on Self". Anyone can make a piece of armor with that effect. Better, even. It has to be an homage.[[User:Swest666|Swest666]] 17:29, 9 April 2011 (UTC)

: No it's NOT in the game for a reason!
: Are you telling me that the [[Oblivion:Boots of the Calming Sea|Boots of the Calming Sea]] are included as an homage to [http://www.mp3mixx.com/album/dan_gibsons_solitudes/calming_sea-1636369 this album]?
: Is the [[Oblivion:Monolithic Shield|Monolithic Shield]] an homage to the standing stones at Stonehenge?
: Are the [[Oblivion:Gauntlets of the Equinox|Gauntlets of the Equinox]] an homage to Jean-Michelle Jarre's [[wikipedia:Equinoxe|second album]]?
: No, no and no. At ''best'' it's a reference, like the [[Oblivion:Gauntlets of the Horker|Gauntlets of the Horker]] refer to the [[BM:Horker|horkers]] in Bloodmoon and the [[Oblivion:Grand Ring of Aegis|Grand Ring of Aegis]] is a reference to the [[wikipedia:Aegis|shield]] of the Greek goddess Athena.
: Even if it's a reference, that does NOT merit inclusion on this page. As I've said before, Easter Eggs have to meet [http://www.eeggs.com/faq.html#definition this definition], and this example clearly doesn't. [[User:Rpeh|rpeh]] •[[User_Talk:Rpeh|T]]•[[Special:Contributions/Rpeh|C]]•[[Special:Emailuser/Rpeh|E]]• 17:15, 9 April 2011 (UTC)

::A main reason I thought it would be, is because of this: what does a Horse-lord have to do with great armor and strength? Nothing.
::Now that you've called me out on something I thought was legit, I will refrain from all discussion of this topic. If you want to believe that by some sheer coincidence this piece of armor actually makes sense by both name and description (like the water walking boots, shield, and frost shield gauntlets), then I guess it's not worth even talking about. I still believe it makes sense. [[User:Swest666|Swest666]] 17:58, 9 April 2011 (UTC)

:::After reading through the books , Theoden is only king of Rohan , nothing else is mentioned that he will be the Horse Lord. I would now say that it '''shouldn't''' be added. Like Rpeh has said , it is not an Easter Egg. [[User:JackTurbo95|JackTurbo95]] 18:40, 5 May 2011 (UTC)

::::I was walking around and saw a pub called the green dragon I don't know if anyone has seen it but its in the return of the king when merry and pippin are singing. {{uns|122.105.135.138| 12:56, May 14, 2011}}

:::::I'm afraid that there is no location with that name in Oblivion. Either it was mod-related or you simply misread something. --{{FC|#800000|[[User:DKong27|DKong27]] [[User_talk:DKong27|Talk]] [[Special:Contributions/DKong27|Cont]]}} 15:38, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

== Heart of Darkness Reference ==

As I was doing Vaermina's daedric quest, I noticed two crumpled pieces of paper in Arkved's Death Quarters... One of the crumpled notes says simply "The horror... The horror" Which of course is a reference to the Heart of Darkness, especially because of Arkved's corruption.
Anyone else notice this? [[User:LordZaqq|LordZaqq]] 10:33, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

: Wouldn't it refer to The Tell-Tale Heart by Edgar Allan Poe?[[User:Obliviongamer|Obliviongamer]] 19:45, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

:: It doesn't refer to anything. That's a common phrase. --[[User:Legoless|Legoless]] 21:36, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

== Revamp ==
I Am Planning A Project for a complete revamp of the Easter eggs page what do you guys think--candc4

:It would help if you explained what you planned on doing to revamp it... Don't assume we know what you are talking about, because I have no clue what you mean. --[[User:Alpha Kenny Buddy|AKB]] [[User_talk:Alpha_Kenny_Buddy|Talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Alpha Kenny Buddy|Cont]] [[Special:Emailuser/Alpha Kenny Buddy|Mail]] 17:54, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
::Putting Each Subjects into its on page--[[User:Candc4|Candc4]] 18:06, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
:::Why would we need to? This page isn't that long? I see no reason to split up this info. --[[User:Alpha Kenny Buddy|AKB]] [[User_talk:Alpha_Kenny_Buddy|Talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Alpha Kenny Buddy|Cont]] [[Special:Emailuser/Alpha Kenny Buddy|Mail]] 18:08, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
::::Agreed. It's nowhere near long enough for that. [[User:Rpeh|rpeh]] •[[User_Talk:Rpeh|T]]•[[Special:Contributions/Rpeh|C]]•[[Special:Emailuser/Rpeh|E]]• 18:29, 5 May 2011 (UTC)

== Shady Sam's Brother/Glitch in Brina Cross. ==
there no mention of it in Sam's section or even Brina Cross section.
I can't for the life of me remember the guy's name although its definitely not Sam in different clothes and that he came all the way from imperial city to peddle his skooma in BC.
he has the same line as him "piss piss hey you yeah you" Line. ironically I can't find him any where online. {{uns|184.58.153.201 |21:43, May 7, 2011}}

:It sounds like you may mean [[Oblivion:Rowley_Eardwulf|Rowley_Eardwulf]], who is in the [[OB:Wawnet Inn|Wawnet Inn]]. He is the merchant from the [[Oblivion:Vile Lair|Vile Lair]] plug-in. He has some of the same merchant lines, such as calling the player over and such, mentioned on his page. --{{FC|#800000|[[User:DKong27|DKong27]] [[User_talk:DKong27|Talk]] [[Special:Contributions/DKong27|Cont]]}} 02:50, 8 May 2011 (UTC)

wait I have the Ps3 Goty edition.
which don't have vile lair at all, thanks by the way for mentioning him that the guy although what he's doing in BC is beyond me, really.

== Mythic Dawn Reference? ==

Does anyone think the Mythic dawn may be a reference to Alister Crowley's Golden Dawn? They have fairly similar emblems and looking on wiki there are certainly similarities with them being a magical/philosophical group and the mention of travelling through astral planes reminded me of the 'paradise', it was just a random thought and wondered if anybody else had thought the same (although i suppose the golden dawn and Crowley aren't very commonplace names these days). Either way, maybe have a look at [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hermetic_Order_of_the_Golden_Dawn] and see what you think. [[User:Hubertus Beetonis|Hubertus Beetonis]] 14:03, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

:I suppose if you looked at it enough you might see similarities, but there is not really any strong proof toward a reference. It could be of course, I'm no dev, but it's just not clear. --{{FC|#800000|[[User:DKong27|DKong27]] [[User_talk:DKong27|Talk]] [[Special:Contributions/DKong27|Cont]]}} 15:36, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

== Removed from Hermaeus Mora lore page ==

"Apocrypha is Greek for ''hidden-things''."

Thought it might be more appropriate here. Still, I don't know if it's really an "easter egg," so to speak. [[User:Minor Edits|Minor Edits]] 00:11, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

== Eilonwy ==

[[Oblivion:Eilonwy|Eilonwy]] is a character introduced in [http://lccn.loc.gov/64018250 The Book of Three] from Lloyd Alexander's Chronicles of Prydain series of books and the Disney film adaptation [http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0088814/ The Black Cauldron]. It is not a traditional Welsh name but one that Alexander [http://heraldry.sca.org/laurel/names/eilonwy.html created]. This was on the talk page a few years ago and [[User:Elliot|Elliot]] archived it 21 June 2009. The main page is locked for me; can someone with permission add it? - [[User:Brightlancer|Brightlancer]] 16:42, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

== "Of Mice and Men" Reference? ==

In the Dark Brotherhood, when you ask Telaendril about 'Rumors', she chats about Gogron once having a pet rabbit that he pet too hard and killed. I forget the name of the character in the book, but doesn't this relate to when the big guy kills the puppy when they're on the 'dude ranch'? {{uns|71.196.208.66|16 June 2011}}

:Please read the article, specifically the "Literature" section. --[[User:SerCenKing|SerCenKing]] [[User talk:SerCenKing|Talk]] 08:23, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

Oops, I guess I missed reading that part :-P At least I got the reference right.

== An easter egg not added ==

There is a cave called lost boy cavern filled with vampires, (movie reference lost boys). NE of Peryrite's shrine.

== Boethiah thing? ==

That "alas, poor orc" thing is too vague to be definitively labeled as a reference to something on this page. I suggest it be removed until a reliable citation can be given. [[Special:Contributions/71.251.138.109|71.251.138.109]] 14:30, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

: I think this one's fairly clear: "Alas poor Orc" vs "Alas poor Yorick". Orc and Yorick are similar enough in sound to be intentional. The Churchill bit... less so. [[User:Rpeh|rpeh]] •[[User_Talk:Rpeh|T]]•[[Special:Contributions/Rpeh|C]]•[[Special:Emailuser/Rpeh|E]]• 14:51, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

::That's what I meant, the first bit is one thing, but the second is a stretch. [[Special:Contributions/205.133.160.180|205.133.160.180]] 18:21, 19 September 2011 (UTC)

== Easter Egg I stumbled on while watching a friend play ==

There is also a Reference, in one of the Mage's Guild's where you overhear two Mage NPC's talking and one says something about someone and the other guy says "I never understood a single word he said, but I helped him drink his wine, and he always has some mighty fine wine." Which is a reference to Three Dog Night's "Joy to the World". ````

== Ayleid Well With Blue Map Marker ==

At the I in the words The Nibenay Valley there is an Ayleid Well with a blue map marker on it. I was exploring and just stumbled upon it. The blue map marker is on the little ring base thing on the bottom of the well. If you look you should see it. Is this on every Ayleid Well? Is it a glitch? I know I've never put a blue map marker on my map at that spot. Sorry, I just made my account so that I could ask this, so I'm very new to this. Is this how you sign it? I'm not sure. [[User:Sir Mandorallen|Sir Mandorallen]] 15:36, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

: You must have added the map marker yourself by mistake. --[[User:Legoless|Legoless]] 17:29, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

Oh, I should have been more clear, the marker isn't on the map, it is seemingly painted onto the Ayleid Well. [[User:Sir Mandorallen|Sir Mandorallen]] 23:37, 16 July 2011 (UTC)

== Typo to fix ==

In the references of the page, it should be 'The Black Hand (...)' and not 'Tha Black Hand (...)'. Someone else will have to fix it since the page is protected. Thankie! [[User:Kharn|Kharn]] 13:28, 4 August 2011 (UTC)

: Done --[[User:Legoless|Legoless]] 13:32, 4 August 2011 (UTC)

== Black Hand? ==

This sounds like a coincidence. Other than being a group of assassins, what links does the faction have to the real-world organisation? "Black Hand" is a pretty standard name. --[[User:Legoless|Legoless]] 20:47, 10 September 2011 (UTC)
:not sure how relivent this is but theres all so a black hand on command and conqure within the brotherhood of nod[[User:Sorrow|The sorrow]] 21:14, 10 September 2011 (UTC)
::I think it is pretty obvious. The Black Hand is not some little faction in a game; it is the group of people that sparked World War 1. Saying it is just mere coincidence is naive. '''''[[User:Elliot|Elliot]] [[User_talk:Elliot|(talk)]]''''' 22:25, 10 September 2011 (UTC)

::: See [[wikipedia:Black Hand (disambiguation)|this disambig page]]. It is ''anything but'' naive to assume coincidence. Are all of those groups, fictional and real, a nod to the Serbain secret society? I doubt it. --[[User:Legoless|Legoless]] 11:08, 11 September 2011 (UTC)

== More LotR Eggs ==

This one is a big one, and I'm Really surprised no one has caught on to this, but the Dark Brotherhood initiation quest, "A Knife in the Dark", shares it's name with a chapter in LotR: Fellowship of the Ring. I don't think this was unintentional, seeing as another quest contained a reference to LotR

:A similar issue has already been discussed in the archives. The consensus was that unless there's more than the name to suggest an intended connection, it's a coincidence. [[Special:Contributions/205.133.160.180|205.133.160.180]] 18:29, 19 September 2011 (UTC)

== Boromir? ==

Shouldn't the bit about the Boromir reference be removed? If I recall, it was decided that the bits about NPCs named after dewey decimal, Princess Bride characters, etc. should be omitted because they were found in the testinghall, which could only be accessed through the console. Since it admits in the entry that the Boromir NPC is found in the toddtest area (also only reachable via console), shouldn't it be omitted for the same reason? [[Special:Contributions/205.133.160.180|205.133.160.180]] 18:27, 19 September 2011 (UTC)

== I feel like this page needs a disclaimer of some sort ==

Something at the top of the page saying that you need more than similar sounding names to constitute a reference. And maybe a list of things that have already been decided numerous times to not constitute an entry, ex. the Gray Fox being based on so and so famous person or pretty much anything having to do with LOTR. Just something to let people know that you can't propose something without good reason to believe it's intentional.[[Special:Contributions/205.133.160.180|205.133.160.180]] 18:34, 19 September 2011 (UTC)

:People very often just add things without thinking about it, this means they will just click 'edit' because it is the eureka moment. And if they bring it up here, it is much easier for a Patroller or Admin to say no and why or point them in the right direction. They might think the circumstance has changed and therefore it needs reviewing in which case a list of past cases might just put them off. --[[User:KizC|KizC]] ·•· [[User_Talk:KizC|Talk]] ·•· [[Special:Contributions/KizC|Contribs]] ·•· [[Special:EmailUser/KizC|Mail]] ·•· 18:51, 19 September 2011 (UTC)
I was under the impression that an ester egg is a joke hidden in the game with no refrence to it or its location? So why when reading the article it say "in _______ quest" shouldnt they be marked as refrences as you do in morrowind? Thank you[[User:Froggy™|Froggy™]] 08:19, 5 October 2011 (UTC)

== Battlehorn Castle: Numbskin Mead = Easter egg? ==

I've only just noticed that the label for the Numbskin Mead from the Battlehorn Castle DLC reads 'Ice Nerveshatter'. I am of the opinion that this may be an Easter egg, as British industrial metal band Godflesh named one of their songs 'Ice Nerveshatter' on their self-titled album. I know that this 'bug' is fixed by the Unofficial Official Mod Patch.

The song in question: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dbhxiS99fR8

Would this be considered an Easter egg? Even if it was originally the name of a rejected beverage, it still got through Q&A when the DLC was being released, which is telling.

Thanks, [[User:TehBluebear|TehBluebear]] 14:24, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

:In addition, there is also the weapon gained in Shivering Isles at the end of [[Shivering:The_Roots_of_Madness|The Roots of Madness]], Nerveshatter. However, this is more of a tenuous connection than the one I've highlighted above.

:Do both of these qualify as easter eggs, or simply references? [[User:TehBluebear|TehBluebear]] 00:09, 23 October 2011 (UTC)

::They don't qualify as anything. As stated many times above; an easter egg must be brutally obvious and/or contain more than one mention of the referenced media in question to be considered as such. [[Special:Contributions/66.183.235.215|66.183.235.215]] 07:05, 24 October 2011 (UTC)

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