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Skyrim talk:Arniel's Endeavor

2011-11-26T01:02:04Z

24.33.141.151: Created page with 'I got two warped soul gems from the last box, but it said to return to Arniel so I went to him, yet the quest could not be completed.'

I got two warped soul gems from the last box, but it said to return to Arniel so I went to him, yet the quest could not be completed.

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2011-11-25T03:35:19Z

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===Skyrim:Frost===
There is no page for Skyrim:Frost (horse) with ID and bugs/problems during the quest.
===Skyrim: Random Encounters===
There should be a page listing and describing all the possible random encounters in the game. Conditions and results too. [[User:Applepixie|Applepixie]] 05:26, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
:I'm in the process of figuring out how all of the miscellaneous quests/objectives are organized in the game data. Within the next day or so, appropriate pages will start to get created. --[[User:Nephele|Nephele]][[User_talk:Nephele|Talk]] 16:26, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
::There are other encounters that may be random and may or may not be covered by quests. For instance, the three bandits posing as soldiers who demand payment, the roving Thalmor, hunters, Khajiit and others who move through the map. Definitely wait until you've uncovered more quest detail though. [[User:Rpeh|rpeh]] •[[User_Talk:Rpeh|T]]•[[Special:Contributions/Rpeh|C]]•[[Special:Emailuser/Rpeh|E]]• 14:58, 23 November 2011 (UTC)

===Shrine of Molag Bal===
The shrine is located in Markarth (inside the abandoned house) and there are side missions relating to it

: There's no location explicitly called "Shrine of Molag Bal" (or Shrine to Molag Bal or any other similar phrase), so I'm gonna say "no" here. [[Skyrim:Molag Bal]] already contains links to the related quests, so I'm not sure a redirect is necessary. [[User:Rpeh|rpeh]] •[[User_Talk:Rpeh|T]]•[[Special:Contributions/Rpeh|C]]•[[Special:Emailuser/Rpeh|E]]• 22:45, 23 November 2011 (UTC)

:I am no expert myself but shouldn't that go [[Skyrim:Abandoned House|here?]]
:[[User:Krogglidor|-Krogg]][[User Talk:Krogglidor|lidor]][[Special: Contributions/Krogglidor|♥]] 01:15, 25 November 2011 (UTC)

===Quest: Recover Andurs' Amulet of Arkay, and Whiterun Catacomb===
Quick quest given by [[Skyrim:Andurs|Andurs]]. Associated with this quest, you may want a page for the Whiterun Catacomb where the Amulet is found
:The quest is a radiant quest. We're not sure yet how to deal with quests that have multiple different names. --[[User:Nephele|Nephele]][[User_talk:Nephele|Talk]] 03:21, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
::At least there's a page for the whiterun catacombs, and I've put a reference to it there, and the Objectives page, so this will probably be fixed when the Objectives Organization request is fixed.----[[User:Dalsio|Dalsio]] 05:18, 22 November 2011 (UTC)

===Objectives Organization===
Obviously, the miscellaneous objectives and the Radiant Quest system are awkward things to organize, and to do it right would probably take time. However, it would be nice to have a bit more organization. I've been trying my best, but it isn't great. Of course, in order to really do it well, one would need to figure out a lot more about how the Radiant Quest system works. How it procedurally generates quests, how the quests are categorized and what categories get what parameter lists, etc. The best method would be to put them all in a large list, splitting them up by general location, and having various links to the lists that correspond to each of the parameters. A list similar to the ones for weapons and items and such, except instead of attribute types, there would be categories like Start Location, Quest Location, End Location, and Reward, each linking to a separate page explaining what that category means. In the subsequent content fields for the objectives, would be either a direct link to the item in the case of fixed parameters, or a link to the corresponding list of possible parameters in the case of the variable items. It probably wouldn't cover all of the miscellaneous quests, but would cover most of the Radiant Quests. Also, there may need to be a separate page called "Open World", meant for explaining how some miscellaneous quests (Such as the [[Skyrim:Objectives|Visit Shrine of Azura]] quest) are found through rumors or other means in the open world. Basically, it would be nice to have a separate page for all of the possible parameter types I just mentioned started, so that people can populate them with their own experience of what they had to do in their playthrough. I expect eventually, with everyone pitching in their own experience, we could figure out all of the possible combinations. I can make the big sortable list under the Objectives page, or if you'd like a new Radiant Quest page. Umm... that's all I got. Let me know if any of that didn't make sense.--[[User:Dalsio|Dalsio]] 09:12, 19 November 2011 (UTC)
: At this very moment, we're working on solving this difficult task - you can expect a solution in the very near future. --[[User:Krusty|Krusty]] 09:21, 19 November 2011 (UTC)
:: Oh.. well then.. I guess all this work I just started doing will be for nothing then. Alrighty.--[[User:Dalsio|Dalsio]] 10:12, 19 November 2011 (UTC)
::: There's no such thing as 'wasted work' these days and I'll encourage you to continue what you are doing. What I meant was, we're working on figuring out how to label all of these Objectives, Favors, Side Quests, Radiant Quests and so on. We're talking 200+ in-game tasks not labeled as regular quests, so we'll have to figure out a method on how to Wikify it. --[[User:Krusty|Krusty]] 10:22, 19 November 2011 (UTC)
:::: Well in that case, I will. Unfortunately, until someone can figure out the patterns that the Radiant system uses to determine what list of parameters goes with what kind of quests, I can't do anything more. Heck, there may not even be a pattern so that every objective has it's own list, meaning over 200 lists of possible start locations, end locations, destinations, and rewards, which would suck. What would be fantastic, is if there could be made a web diagram for each parameter type, showing all the parameters of a certain type connected to all of it's quests, which are then connected to all of it's parameters, which are then connected to all of it's quests. Sort of like a food web. Alas, this is turning into a forum thread more than a page request.--[[User:Dalsio|Dalsio]] 06:17, 20 November 2011 (UTC)

===Leveled Content===
I'd like there to be a page specifically devoted to explaining how things scale with level in Skyrim. Either a new page, or a recreation of the [[Oblivion:Leveled Lists|Leveled Lists]] page to a more general one. It would be nice to be able to link people to that when describing leveled quest rewards, especially for the miscellaneous quests. I don't know much about the specifics of how things scale with level, but I'm sure someone can find that data and post it there eventually.--[[User:Dalsio|Dalsio]] 02:15, 23 November 2011 (UTC)

===Open World and Radiant System===
I've put a short description for the Radiant quest system, and the concept of an Open World quest aspect on the [[Skyrim:Objectives|Objectives]] page, but could someone make a redirect to them both (or perhaps a separate page if you feel it necessary) when searching for "Radiant" and "Open World"? I've tried to search for how to do it myself, and upon failing, I assumed I can not.--[[User:Dalsio|Dalsio]] 02:27, 23 November 2011 (UTC)

=== Quest: Bring one Song of the Alchemist to Lami ===
Not sure if this is a Radiant quest or not. [[Skyrim:Lami|Lami]] in Morthal asked me to find her a copy of [[Skyrim:Song_of_the_Alchemists|Song of the Alchemists]]. It doesn't seem to fit the basic [[Skyrim:Delivery|Delivery]] pattern (start and ends at the same place, and the quest giver does not give me the object to deliver). Would it belong to [[Skyrim:Miscellaneous|Misc]] or somewhere else? Thanks [[User:Krag|Krag]] 13:18, 23 November 2011 (UTC)

: I've had to being Night Falls on Sentinel to someone or other in the past, so it definitely seems to be Radiant. [[User:Rpeh|rpeh]] •[[User_Talk:Rpeh|T]]•[[Special:Contributions/Rpeh|C]]•[[Special:Emailuser/Rpeh|E]]• 13:40, 23 November 2011 (UTC)
::Same here, Night Falls on Sentinel was in Dawnstar, and it was a miscellaneous quest for me. May need multiple or a generic entry for the "Retrieve a book" type quests, but that will come when the Radiant system has been organized.

=== Quest: Investigate the Bard's College ===
This quest comes from Ogmund the speech trainer in the inn at Markarth. It is important to note that if you already completed the bard's college questline, then this quest cannot be completed.
==Completed Requests==
=== I Done Got Thaned! ===
This is a quest in [[Skyrim:Riften|Riften]] where you can earn the title of Thane of the Rift. You gain this miscellaneous quest by completing enough quests in Riften to become liked by the [[Skyrim:Jarl of Riften|Jarl of Riften]]. Once you have completed enough quests in Riften, the Jarl will want to speak with you. She will then tell you to buy a house, [[Skyrim:Honeyside|Honeyside]], in Riften first. Once the house is purchased, you will need to talk to her again and she will name you Thane of the Rift.

(Possibly fill in material from the [[Skyrim:Honeyside|Honeyside]] page as to how to progress in this quest. I think that the Honeyside page should be about the house, not the quest that allows you to get the house. Instead the house page should link back to the quests.)

Known Bugs:
Once you have completed enough quests for the Jarl to speak with you about buying a house, it is possible to purchase the house prior to speaking with the Jarl. This will make the quest bugged and render it uncompleted. This quest can also become bugged if you speak to the Jarl first, buy the house, and visit the house before speaking to the Jarl the second time. (Confirmed PC)

Temporary Solution (PC):
Use the console to complete quest. This command will complete the quest and give you the dagger: player.setstage FreeformRiftenThane 200

Bug Avoidance:
Talk to Jarl first, immediately buy house, and immediately talk to Jarl again. Do not visit the house before talking to the Jarl the second time or deviate from this order.

: What is the actual name of this quest? Is it even a quest? I can't find anything like this. [[User:Rpeh|rpeh]] •[[User_Talk:Rpeh|T]]•[[Special:Contributions/Rpeh|C]]•[[Special:Emailuser/Rpeh|E]]• 22:49, 17 November 2011 (UTC)

::It is a miscellaneous quest and therefore doesn't have a name in the game itself. However, the quest does have a name in the code: FreeformRiftenThane It is also known as the Thane of Riften. I don't know how you guys are handling miscellaneous quests yet since they don't have a formal name in the game. According to another user, the quest is called "Thane of the Rift" in the strategy guide. Apparently you guys have started calling them "objectives." So, I don't know. I don't know why you are separating them from the other quests. At least in this example, the game treats it just like any other quest in the code. It can be progressed through with "setstage" and it has a QuestID = FreeformRiftenThane. It seems to me that if it has a QuestID, it is by definition a quest. - Oldbucsfan

:::Actually, in the game files I'm seeing a quest listed with the name 'Thane of the Reach', and (edid=Favor250, formid=0x000a2c86). The edid FreeformRiftenThane (0x00065bdf) corresponds to a different quest, with the name 'I Done Got Thaned!' So you seem to be combining two different quests into one. --[[User:Nephele|Nephele]][[User_talk:Nephele|Talk]] 03:23, 18 November 2011 (UTC)

::::No, the Reach is the western part of Skyrim. The Rift is the southeastern part of Skyrim. You can get named Thane in both regions. The quest I outlined only applies to the Rift (where Riften is located). That seems like a weird name for the Riften Thane quest. It may actually be named "I Done Got Thaned" since the first place you become Thane is Whiterun, but it is not separate from the main questline. Therefore, it won't have its own name. The next place one might become Thane (true in my case) is Riften. So, perhaps in the Rift (Riften) they just named it "I Done Got Thaned!" If we need to name the page that, that is fine. - Oldbucsfan

::::: There are 9 Thane objectives, one for each hold - each and every one of them will net you a specific sword (Blade of Whiterun, Blade of Winterhold and so on), a Thane title (whatever that is), a house for sale if possible and maybe a follower or two within each hold. They are all objectives, so if you feel like creating a page, do it in a Sandbox for starters and make sure to create information about all 9 objectives. Otherwise, until we figure this system out, use the [[Skyrim:Objectives|Objectives]] page. --[[User:Krusty|Krusty]] 09:13, 18 November 2011 (UTC)

:::::: I get that there are eight similar quests (or objectives), but each one is its own quest with its own QuestID, its own bugs, and its own way for completion. In my opinion, they each belong in their own page linked to by the town that they are received in. I don't have the knowledge of every single Thane quest to be able to fill out the page on 9 different quests entirely on my own anyway. The information about this quest seems too specific and long to be added to the Objectives page. All the others there right now have a one sentence description. My incomplete one already has a few paragraphs. - Oldbucsfan

{{od}} All Thane quests can now be found on [[Skyrim:Thane|Thane]] --[[User:Krusty|Krusty]] 07:17, 21 November 2011 (UTC)

===The Bonds of Matrimony===
This quest allows you to get married to specific people after fulfilling a certain prerequisite for them and after purchasing the Amulet of Mara from the temple in Riften. It could contain a table of all of the character eligible for marriage and what you need to do to get their approval (e.g. For Aela the Huntress you need to complete the Companions questline). {{unsigned|Dovahfron613|13:59, 19 November 2011}}
: As of now, we keep all the marriage related info on the [[Skyrim:Marriage|Skyrim:Marriage]] page. As the Bonds of Matrimony is yet another "Objective", we might as well use the other page for now - which, by the way, could use the condition info you want to add. --[[User:Krusty|Krusty]] 14:11, 19 November 2011 (UTC)

===Honeyside People===
(A page to allow proper formatting for the [[Skyrim:Honeyside|Honeyside]] page. [[Skyrim:Iona|Iona]] lives there and needs to be added to the page appropriately.)

{| class=wikitable {{#ifeq:{{PAGENAME}}|People|width=25%|width=25%}}
![[Skyrim:Honeyside|Honeyside]]
|-
|
;[[Skyrim:Iona|Iona]]
|}

(Alternatively, you might add her to Riften People instead?)
:Separate "people" pages are not appropriate for individual buildings -- they're used to list all the people in a city or town. On the Honeyside page, you should just use a table such as the one you've shown here. She should then also be added to the Riften People page -- which will make her show up on both [[SR:Riften]] and [[SR:People]]. --[[User:Nephele|Nephele]][[User_talk:Nephele|Talk]] 22:43, 18 November 2011 (UTC)

===Stormcloak quest page===
i am up to [[Skyrim:The Battle for Fort Snowhawk|The Battle for Fort Snowhawk]] in the stormcloaks quests and i am willing to add to the page if someone would make it please. i would also like [[Skyrim:The Battle for Fort Sungard|The Battle for Fort Sungard]], [[Skyrim:Battle for Whiterun|Battle for Whiterun]] [[Skyrim:Liberation of Skyrim|Liberation of Skyrim]] [[Skyrim:The Battle for Fort Hraggstad]] and [[Skyrim:Battle for Solitude|Battle for Solitude]] created, i am going to end up doing them tonight, and possibly tomorrow for battle for solitude. ([[user:Eddie the head|Eddie The Head]] 12:03, 18 November 2011 (UTC))

: It's currently believed those are all Radiant quests - see the note above. [[User:Rpeh|rpeh]] •[[User_Talk:Rpeh|T]]•[[Special:Contributions/Rpeh|C]]•[[Special:Emailuser/Rpeh|E]]• 12:19, 18 November 2011 (UTC)

:: i cant see much room for radiancy in them so how are they radiant?, the battle for fort snowhawk is just you and stormcloaks attacking a fort. same for sungard and seeing as thats an [[Skyrim:Achievements#War Hero|achievement]]. battle for whiterun is defiantly not radiant. and liberation of skyrim comprises most of those.
:::It's radiant because it can be "The Battle for Fort {Insert name here}". The battle at Whiterun and Solitude are not though, unless there's some way around them I didn't find. --[[User:Saphireking65|Saphireking65]] 09:51, 19 November 2011 (UTC)

{{od}} all quests for [[Skyrim:Stormcloaks|Skyrim:Stormcloaks]] and [[Skyrim:Imperial Legion|Skyrim:Imperial Legion]] created. --[[User:Krusty|Krusty]] 07:17, 21 November 2011 (UTC)

===Skyrim:Battle for Solitude===
Important quest in the Stormcloaks quest line.
:The quest is a radiant quest. We're not sure yet how to deal with quests that have multiple different names. --[[User:Nephele|Nephele]][[User_talk:Nephele|Talk]] 03:21, 16 November 2011 (UTC)

{{od}} all quests for [[Skyrim:Stormcloaks|Skyrim:Stormcloaks]] and [[Skyrim:Imperial Legion|Skyrim:Imperial Legion]] created. --[[User:Krusty|Krusty]] 07:17, 21 November 2011 (UTC)

===Quest: Assist the people of Hjaalmarch===
Quest from the Jarl of Morthal. Help 3 citizens of Morthal to become a Thane of the city.

:: {{od}} all quests for [[Skyrim:Stormcloaks|Skyrim:Stormcloaks]] and [[Skyrim:Imperial Legion|Skyrim:Imperial Legion]] created. --[[User:Krusty|Krusty]] 07:17, 21 November 2011 (UTC)

=== Largashbur People ===
List of people for the [[Skyrim:Largashbur|Largashbur]] orcish settlement.
:Done: [[SR:Largashbur People|Largashbur People]]. --[[User:Nephele|Nephele]][[User_talk:Nephele|Talk]] 16:15, 20 November 2011 (UTC)

=== Daedra Quest Category ===
Category to mark all the Daedra Quests.
:Actually, anyone can create new categories. Nevertheless, I went ahead and created it: [[:Category:Skyrim-Quests-Daedric]]. --[[User:Nephele|Nephele]][[User_talk:Nephele|Talk]] 16:15, 20 November 2011 (UTC)

===rockwallow mine===
this small mine is a good location to mine for iron ore.
:[[Skyrim:Rockwallow Mine|Done]]. --[[User:Krusty|Krusty]] 15:51, 14 November 2011 (UTC)
=== Skyrim Merchants, Trainers, and Inns needs creation ===
http://uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Services

I wanted to fill in some locations for e.g. a potion merchant, but the page isn't created...
:[[SR:Merchants]], [[SR:Trainers]], [[SR:Inns]] done. --[[User:Nephele|Nephele]][[User_talk:Nephele|Talk]] 06:55, 13 November 2011 (UTC)

===Skyrim: Miscellaneous===

Due to the new miscellaneous quests in the game, I believe a page that listed them all, under the name miscellaneous would be helpful for users looking to find these quests or get help.
:We already had [[Skyrim:Objectives]] for the miscellaneous objectives; [[Skyrim:Miscellaneous Quests]] for miscellaneous quests has been created. --[[User:Nephele|Nephele]][[User_talk:Nephele|Talk]] 16:26, 12 November 2011 (UTC)

===Skyrim: Treasure Maps===
Solution to the various Treasure maps found in Skyrim would be nice. There are at least 4 of them. Based on the fact that i carry a Treasure Map IV in my inventory.
: The book pages (including notes) are about to be created. Presumably, the treasure map (I've found that one too) relates to a quest, so a solution will eventually appear on a quest page. [[User:Rpeh|rpeh]] •[[User_Talk:Rpeh|T]]•[[Special:Contributions/Rpeh|C]]•[[Special:Emailuser/Rpeh|E]]• 13:43, 12 November 2011 (UTC)

===Skyrim Glitches Page===
If you have arrows equipped to you when you put them in a chest, they will remain on your back but not in your inventory. To fix it, put the arrows back into your inventory, re-equip them, and the unequip them. [[User:Kremlin16|Kremlin16]] 04:34, 12 November 2011 (UTC)

At the beginning of the game, the executioner sometimes freezes causing the cut scene to stop, and might crash the game. (PS3)

: Not yet. I'd rather not have a page that quickly becomes crammed with every little problem somebody experiences. [[User:Rpeh|rpeh]] •[[User_Talk:Rpeh|T]]•[[Special:Contributions/Rpeh|C]]•[[Special:Emailuser/Rpeh|E]]• 13:43, 12 November 2011 (UTC)
::[[Skyrim:Glitches|done]]. Although the executioner bug belongs on [[SR:Unbound]]. --[[User:Nephele|Nephele]][[User_talk:Nephele|Talk]] 07:24, 13 November 2011 (UTC)

===Skyrim Spell Pages===
Now that Skyrim has been released (at least in Australia) I have started creation on the spell pages as I play. Currently Restoration and Destruction have placeholders with basic info. Please open pages for the remaining spell schools: Illusion; Conjuration and Alteration. -- [[User:Alienangel|Alienangel]] 21:00AEST 11 Nov 2011.

: [[Skyrim:Restoration]], [[Skyrim:Destruction]], [[Skyrim:Illusion]], [[Skyrim:Conjuration]] and [[Skyrim:Alteration]] all exist already. [[User:Rpeh|rpeh]] •[[User_Talk:Rpeh|T]]•[[Special:Contributions/Rpeh|C]]•[[Special:Emailuser/Rpeh|E]]• 11:08, 11 November 2011 (UTC)

:: Thanks but I'm not referring to the skill perk pages, but the separate spell list pages per spell school. There is general agreement on the skill page discussions that spell lists should be a separate page, and you currently navigate to these pages from main --> [[Skyrim:Magic]] --> [[Skyrim:Spells]]
:: [[Skyrim:Destruction Spells]] and [[Skyrim:Restoration Spells]] are live; but [[Skyrim:Illusion Spells]], [[Skyrim:Conjuration Spells]] and [[Skyrim:Alteration Spells]] are not. -- [[User:Alienangel|Alienangel]] 22:15AEST, 11 November 2011
:::I'll create the pages later today when I'm ready to fill them -- completely, from the game data. In the meantime, having you fill in spells one at a time is pointless. -- [[User:Nephele|Nephele]][[User_talk:Nephele|Talk]] 13:20, 11 November 2011 (UTC)

===Skyrim Items===
I was going to begin creating pages for the weapons/armors that were confirmed via demo videos. I.E the Glass Sword and Banded Iron Shield as well as other items from the video. {{Unsigned|Helhag|02:31, 30 October 2011 (UTC)}}
:I don't think we need much more besides redirects for these items. However, we don't know much about Skyrim items yet (probably because they're not the best selling point). Currently, pretty much all pages that need to be created are linked to from [[Skyrim:Items]]. --[[User:Alpha Kenny Buddy|AKB]] [[User_talk:Alpha_Kenny_Buddy|Talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Alpha Kenny Buddy|Cont]] [[Special:Emailuser/Alpha Kenny Buddy|Mail]] 02:31, 30 October 2011 (UTC)
::(e/c) We're not going to have individual pages for most items in the game. Rather, we're going to have pages providing statistics for a large set of related items (pages such as [[Oblivion:Weapons]]) and then redirects for individual item names (e.g., [[Oblivion:Glass Longsword]]). However, it's really not even worth your effort to start putting together any of those pages, because we're going to be auto-generating all the redirects and statistics as soon as we get the game data. Plus some of the statistics you'd be posting are sure to be inaccurate -- the armor ratings and weapon damages are skill-dependent, and we don't know how to convert the values seen in the videos to the base armor rating or base damage. --[[User:Nephele|Nephele]][[User_talk:Nephele|Talk]] 02:37, 30 October 2011 (UTC)
:::How about arrows? I was stunned to figure out that you cannot CRAFT arrows. --[[Special:Contributions/77.36.50.9|77.36.50.9]] 04:23, 11 November 2011 (UTC)
::::They'll be done too, in time. [[User:Rpeh|rpeh]] •[[User_Talk:Rpeh|T]]•[[Special:Contributions/Rpeh|C]]•[[Special:Emailuser/Rpeh|E]]• 11:11, 11 November 2011 (UTC)

===Skyrim creature: The Falmer===
The Falmer are in skyrim, encountered in some dungeons.
: [[Skyrim:Falmer]] - done. [[User:Rpeh|rpeh]] •[[User_Talk:Rpeh|T]]•[[Special:Contributions/Rpeh|C]]•[[Special:Emailuser/Rpeh|E]]• 11:11, 11 November 2011 (UTC)

===Skyrim Item: The Jaged Crown===
The Jaged Crown is the key item in the quest The Jaged Crown. (duh) Its also a key part to the imperial legion storyline.
: The quest page [[Skyrim:The Jagged Crown]] exists. There's already a redirect [[Skyrim:Jagged Crown]] for the item that takes you to the artifacts page. [[User:Rpeh|rpeh]] •[[User_Talk:Rpeh|T]]•[[Special:Contributions/Rpeh|C]]•[[Special:Emailuser/Rpeh|E]]• 13:43, 12 November 2011 (UTC)

===Skyrim Activities Pages===
Requesting pages [[Skyrim:Milling]], [[Skyrim:Mining]] & [[Skyrim:Chopping Wood]] to be created so I can add information on the linked pages. [[User:xTheTrueSmithyx|xTheTrueSmithyx]] -- 12/11 06:32 GMT
: Done, done and done. [[User:Rpeh|rpeh]] •[[User_Talk:Rpeh|T]]•[[Special:Contributions/Rpeh|C]]•[[Special:Emailuser/Rpeh|E]]• 13:43, 12 November 2011 (UTC)

===Easter Eggs Page===
When leaving Markath, A guard says "Aw, did someone take your sweetie roll" the same line from Fallout 3 when you're still in the vault.

This should be created - I've met an NPC called "Temba Wide-Arms", an obvious reference to the Star Trek: TNG episode.

: Not yet. [[User:Rpeh|rpeh]] •[[User_Talk:Rpeh|T]]•[[Special:Contributions/Rpeh|C]]•[[Special:Emailuser/Rpeh|E]]• 13:43, 12 November 2011 (UTC)

:: I second the request for this page to be created. Found, as an easter egg, the [[Skyrim:Kolb & the Dragon|Kolb & the Dragon]] book. Before I forget: the book was in the main hall of [[Skyrim:Dragonsreach|Dragonsreach]] [[User:Krag|Krag]] 23:21, 12 November 2011 (UTC)

:::I've created [[SR:Easter Eggs]]. --[[User:Nephele|Nephele]][[User_talk:Nephele|Talk]] 07:24, 13 November 2011 (UTC)

===Skyrim:Jobs===
A page for the various jobs you can do (chopping wood, etc.)

:See [[Skyrim:Activities]] --[[User:Timenn|Timenn]]-<[[User talk:Timenn|talk]]> 17:42, 12 November 2011 (UTC)

===Skyrim:Alain Dufant===
This page will give information about Alain Dufant a named person in Skyrim. -- [[User:Degger|Degger]] 5:14 AEST 12 Nov 2011.

Already Exists - [[SR:Alain Dufont|Alain Dufont]] --[[User:Kiz|Kiz]] ·•· [[User_Talk:Kiz|Talk]] ·•· [[Special:Contributions/Kiz|Contribs]] ·•· [[Special:EmailUser/Kiz|Mail]] ·•· 18:27, 12 November 2011 (UTC)

===Honorhall Orphanage===
I would like to make a request to make the honorall orphanage
: Done: [[Skyrim:Honorhall Orphanage]]. --[[User:Nephele|Nephele]][[User_talk:Nephele|Talk]] 19:56, 12 November 2011 (UTC)

===Skyrim:bugs===
A bugs page should be added ASAP, so work-a-rounds and solutions can more quickly be disseminated and posted. A well structured page to assist in providing information on confirmed problems is in order. Not so concerned with whether the terminology should be 'bugs', 'glitches', or 'bugs/glitches', or which conjures the thought of petty errors and exploits, versus game-breaking problems.

Reason being: A severe release day bug prevented the game from saving. Neither manual or auto-save of any kind functioned, and ruined a good two hours worth of play. After downloading a release day update on xbox live the game would save. Was that the solution? Don't know, there was no page to check if others had a similar problem. It's a new game and a page like that is one the first places I
go, I'm sure others would agree.--[[Special:Contributions/74.77.139.0|74.77.139.0]] 20:46, 12 November 2011 (UTC)
:[[Skyrim:Glitches|done]]. --[[User:Nephele|Nephele]][[User_talk:Nephele|Talk]] 07:24, 13 November 2011 (UTC)

===Dogs Page===

For more information regarding dogs, their locations, uses, etc.
:I've created [[SR:Dog]] as a redirect to [[SR:Animals]] --[[User:Nephele|Nephele]][[User_talk:Nephele|Talk]] 06:55, 13 November 2011 (UTC)

===Skyrim:Trainers===

For more information on location of skill trainers.
:[[SR:Trainers]] done. --[[User:Nephele|Nephele]][[User_talk:Nephele|Talk]] 06:55, 13 November 2011 (UTC)

===Skyrim Counties===

All the major cities have their own pages, however the counties don't.
[[User:Cokeman|Cokeman]] 03:02, 13 November 2011 (UTC)
:Done, see [[SR:Holds]] for links.--[[User:Nephele|Nephele]][[User_talk:Nephele|Talk]] 06:58, 13 November 2011 (UTC)

===Skyrim Platform Specific Information: Xbox 360===
Add a console information page for the Xbox 360. I want to add a section about controls and felt it would be relevant here.
:Info about controls belongs on [[SR:Controls]] --[[User:Nephele|Nephele]][[User_talk:Nephele|Talk]] 06:55, 13 November 2011 (UTC)

===Player Home Pages===
Requesting individual pages for the possible player homes so more information/screen shots can be added for them without cluttering the [[Skyrim:Houses]] page.
:Done, see links at [[SR:Houses]]. --[[User:Nephele|Nephele]][[User_talk:Nephele|Talk]] 07:36, 13 November 2011 (UTC)

===Redbelly Mine===
A mine in the town of Shor's Stone. Contains spiders for enemies and ebony ore. Will add pictures and map.
: [[Skyrim:Redbelly Mine]] - done. [[User:Rpeh|rpeh]] •[[User_Talk:Rpeh|T]]•[[Special:Contributions/Rpeh|C]]•[[Special:Emailuser/Rpeh|E]]• 13:27, 13 November 2011 (UTC)

===Earlund===
Skyrim:Earlund
:Who or what is Earlund? I don't see anything in Skyrim with that name. Are you thinking of [[SR:Eorlund Gray-Mane]]?--[[User:Nephele|Nephele]][[User_talk:Nephele|Talk]] 09:59, 13 November 2011 (UTC)
::That's who i thought of, there is a few links to Earlund however, i'll change them now :) --[[User:Kiz|Kiz]] ·•· [[User_Talk:Kiz|Talk]] ·•· [[Special:Contributions/Kiz|Contribs]] ·•· [[Special:EmailUser/Kiz|Mail]] ·•· 10:01, 13 November 2011 (UTC)
*Yes, its the same character. It just didn't come up when I typed my search for Eorland so I didn't find it.

===Vilemyr Inn===
Skyrim:Vilemyr Inn
I'd like to upload a screen shot and short description of this inn so it can be linked from the NPC pages of those that live in it.
: [[Skyrim:Vilemyr Inn]] - done. [[User:Rpeh|rpeh]] •[[User_Talk:Rpeh|T]]•[[Special:Contributions/Rpeh|C]]•[[Special:Emailuser/Rpeh|E]]• 13:30, 13 November 2011 (UTC)

===Smithing Recipe Pages===

I'm thinking it'd be a fantastic idea if there were several pages with tables featuring all of the smithing recipes available in the game, complete with required materials, output objects and quantities, and other things like net revenue (for hypothetical example, gold ore is 50g per unit, a gold ingot is worth 150g, it takes two gold ores to make a gold ingot, so you gain 50g by making the recipe; just an example, not actual values).

Which then poses the question: should there be a separate article for each type of crafting (smelting, forge, tanning rack), or should they all be in one article separated into subheaders? --[[User:Dividebyichi|Dividebyichi]] 10:38, 13 November 2011 (UTC)

If the page can be started, I can pop a crap ton of what I'm just looking at right now. I can give materials needed and price values up to dwarven in heavy, and up to leather in light. Also, is there a materials page for these? I know there's a smelting page, so that could be included. Separating them by crafting station is good, but why stop at smithing? There should be a whole recipe page with subheaders of each crafting skill and subsequent links to each crafting station. The forge can be divided into subheaders for the armor and weapon types.
--[[User:Dalsio|Dalsio]] 00:07, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

:Pages have been created at [[SR:Tanning]], [[SR:Forge]], [[SR:Grindstone]], and [[SR:Workbench]]. Info has also been added to [[SR:Cooking]] and [[SR:Smelting]]. --[[User:Nephele|Nephele]][[User_talk:Nephele|Talk]] 06:14, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

===Alchemy Effects===

I have posted a comprehensive list of alchemy effects and the ingredients that produce them in the Talk section of the Ingredients page. Oblivion had an Effects page and it was very convenient for figuring out what was necessary to create specific potions. We can reuse the same format but just fill in the new information, which can be found at [[http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim_talk:Ingredients]]
:I just generated the page directly from the game data: [[SR:Alchemy_Effects]]. --[[User:Nephele|Nephele]][[User_talk:Nephele|Talk]] 06:14, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

===Skyrim:The_Lusty_Argonian_Maid===
Simply to serve as a redirect to Skyrim:The_Lusty_Argonian_Maid,_v1, specifically to allow "seen in" on [[Lore:The_Lusty_Argonian_Maid]] to function.
: Not necessary, the lore page link has been fixed. --[[User:Nephele|Nephele]][[User_talk:Nephele|Talk]] 06:42, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

===Blacksmiths===

This page could be useful to find both blacksmith NPCs, and locations of Blacksmithing stations (forge, grinder, etc.). I know of three locations/blacksmiths so far in my short time, two in Whiterun with a smelter, and one station in Riverwood (I think that's the name). If it's just vaguely started, I can take care of the rest, and add some more as I travel around.--[[User:Dalsio|Dalsio]] 00:07, 14 November 2011 (UTC)
: Done: [[SR:Blacksmith]]. There are also separate pages for each crafting station (see links under [[#Smithing Recipe Pages]]), so if you're starting to list locations, it would be good to have them on those pages, too. --[[User:Nephele|Nephele]][[User_talk:Nephele|Talk]] 06:42, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

===Dragon Priest(s)===
A group of priests, members of the Dragon Cult, that each have a specific magical mask with very powerful effects. There are eight masks that share the name of the priest that holds it; Hevnoraak, Krosis, Morokei, Nahkriin, Otar, Rahgot, Vokun and Volsung. There is also a "Wooden Mask" that when worn at a alter in Labyrinthian will teleport you to another version of the alter where you are able to use the 8 masks with the alter. (I haven't actually done this yet as I am missing one mask but will update the page as I get it... Also a page for each priest is needed, their location, their different weaknesses useful in fighting them. We also need to make pages like "Vokun(mask)" or "The Mask of Vokun")
:I've created [[SR:Dragon Priest]], which contains links to the individual priests. The masks already exist as disambig pages (e.g., [[SR:Vokun (item)]]). Right now, they are all redirects pointing to [[SR:Artifacts]], but eventually they'll be turned into individual pages providing more complete information. Anyone's free to start doing that. Similarly, [[SR:Wooden Mask]] exists. --[[User:Nephele|Nephele]][[User_talk:Nephele|Talk]] 06:42, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

===Hamelyn===

A Mage found under [[Skyrim:Honningbrew_Meadery|Honningbrew Meadery]]. Drops Hamelyn's Journal.

: [[Skyrim:Hamelyn]] - done. He got skipped by the bot because of his weird race. [[User:Rpeh|rpeh]] •[[User_Talk:Rpeh|T]]•[[Special:Contributions/Rpeh|C]]•[[Special:Emailuser/Rpeh|E]]• 11:14, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

===Valga Vinicia===

Well I wanted to create many Skyrim related pages with NPCs and places but I'm unable to do so because of the restrictions... Can somebody unblock this option for me? For example, there's NPC named Valga Vinicia, she is the owner of the Inn Dead Man's Drink located in Falkreath. She doesn't have her own page yet nor does the Inn ''Dead Man's Drink''... --[[User:Arkhon|Arkhon]] 06:18, 15 November 2011 (UTC)

: [[Skyrim:Valga Vinicia]] already exists. So does [[Skyrim:Dead Man's Drink]] - although that was only created a couple of hours ago. [[User:Rpeh|rpeh]] •[[User_Talk:Rpeh|T]]•[[Special:Contributions/Rpeh|C]]•[[Special:Emailuser/Rpeh|E]]• 11:02, 15 November 2011 (UTC)

===Maiq the Liar===
We need this page just as a redirect to the proper one. Super easy; text is below, just copy and paste.

<nowiki>#REDIRECT [[Skyrim:M'aiq the Liar]]
[[Category:Redirects from Misspellings]]</nowiki>
: [[Skyrim:Maiq the Liar]] - done. [[User:Rpeh|rpeh]] •[[User_Talk:Rpeh|T]]•[[Special:Contributions/Rpeh|C]]•[[Special:Emailuser/Rpeh|E]]• 11:02, 15 November 2011 (UTC)

===Powers===
Currently there is no page explaining powers, what they are, what they do, how you get them, or how you use them. I think this is a necessary page, especially now early on in the game when people are having a hard time figuring out how stuff works. We can mention things like powers map to the same slot as shouts, and are used similarly. And that you can't equip both a shout and a power at the same time. And which powers are timed and which aren't, and which are once a day and which aren't. Essentially we'll need just an opening paragraph then a combined list of the racial powers, with some known stats.
: [[Skyrim:Powers]] created. [[User:Rpeh|rpeh]] •[[User_Talk:Rpeh|T]]•[[Special:Contributions/Rpeh|C]]•[[Special:Emailuser/Rpeh|E]]• 12:57, 15 November 2011 (UTC)

===Shrines===
We need a "Skyrim:Shrines" page. [[User:Minor Edits|Minor Edits]] 02:18, 15 November 2011 (UTC)
: [[Skyrim:Shrines]] done. [[User:Rpeh|rpeh]] •[[User_Talk:Rpeh|T]]•[[Special:Contributions/Rpeh|C]]•[[Special:Emailuser/Rpeh|E]]• 13:00, 15 November 2011 (UTC)

===Dwemer Ruins===
The places article is missing the category of Dwemer Ruins (for lack of a better term). I would like a page to be created under places as: [[Skyrim:Dwemer Ruins]] so we can list different Dwemer Ruins. I think they are unique enough to be separate from other places.
: Done. [[User:Rpeh|rpeh]] •[[User_Talk:Rpeh|T]]•[[Special:Contributions/Rpeh|C]]•[[Special:Emailuser/Rpeh|E]]• 13:00, 15 November 2011 (UTC)

=== Draugr ===
If not a complete page, the [[Skyrim:Draugr]] page should probably redirect to [[Skyrim:Creatures#Draugr]]. It is referenced in many places and is a natural link. [[User:Sj26|Sj26]] 12:56, 15 November 2011 (UTC)
: Done. [[User:Rpeh|rpeh]] •[[User_Talk:Rpeh|T]]•[[Special:Contributions/Rpeh|C]]•[[Special:Emailuser/Rpeh|E]]• 13:00, 15 November 2011 (UTC)

===Skyrim:Hired Muscle===
One of the missions that the player receives after joining the Companions in Whiterun. The mission is to intimidate [[Skyrim:Jervar|Jervar]].
:It already exists at [[SR:Hired Muscle]], and was created five days ago. --[[User:Nephele|Nephele]][[User_talk:Nephele|Talk]] 03:21, 16 November 2011 (UTC)

===Skyrim:The Eye (and Staff) of Magnus (artifact)===
There is a quest of the same name, but I want to make a page which represents the actual orb/artifact thing. I thought about putting it under lore, but I'm not sure. Let me know where you decide is best to place it.

I also need the Staff of Magnus. Again, there is a quest of the same name, but this is the artifact. In this particular case, there are already refs to it from Morrowind, Daggerfall and it's in the Lore section, but there's no Skyrim version as of yet. Thanks. [[User:Predator106|Predator106]] 20:08, 15 November 2011 (UTC)
:Not sure about the eye, but the Staff should be confined to the [[SR:Artifacts|Artifacts]] page - neither have a pivotal enough role or a deep enough lore to really warrant their own pages, in my opinion... [[User:Tentacle|Tentacle]] 22:49, 15 November 2011 (UTC)
::There already is a redirect at [[SR:Staff of Magnus]] (the quest is at [[SR:The Staff of Magnus]]). And there is no item called the "Eye of Magnus". There is an activator -- something you can click -- but nothing that you can pick up. Therefore, there are no item stats and no reason to create an item page for it. Information relevant to completing the quest belongs on the quest page. --[[User:Nephele|Nephele]][[User_talk:Nephele|Talk]] 03:21, 16 November 2011 (UTC)

===The Numbers Job===
A page detailing possible options for this quest should be made.
:The page [[SR:The Numbers Job]] was created five days ago. --[[User:Nephele|Nephele]][[User_talk:Nephele|Talk]] 03:21, 16 November 2011 (UTC)

===Dragon Priest Masks===
A page dedicated towards the 9 masks of the Dragon Priests. Already have the research and ready to post. Not used to the formalities of a wiki, but can figure out the formatting and already understand the etiquette required to create such a post.
:There are already invidual redirects for every one of the masks, pointing to [[SR:Artifacts]]. As stated under [[#Dragon Priest(s)]] you are free to update those redirects and turn them into full articles. Any general information, common to all of the masks, probably belongs on the Artifacts page instead of creating a third page covering the same items. --[[User:Nephele|Nephele]][[User_talk:Nephele|Talk]] 03:21, 16 November 2011 (UTC)

===Bandit Chief===
Bandit leader; usually a single Chief is found in a fort of Bandits. At least one confirmed location- Robber's Gorge, and I know for certain they're all over Skyrim. Pages for [[Skyrim:Bandit|Bandits]] and [[Skyrim:Bandit Thug|Bandit Thugs]] already exist.
:Information about Bandit Chiefs belongs on the [[SR:Bandit]] page (for comparison, see the [[OB:Bandit]] page). Although a redirect for Bandit Chief will be created before too long, that will be a ''redirect'', and it's not where you should be adding any information. --[[User:Nephele|Nephele]][[User_talk:Nephele|Talk]] 03:21, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
::Yeah, that's what I meant- I just don't know the terminology yet... Thanks. [[User:Willman|Willman]] 05:05, 17 November 2011 (UTC)

===Skyrim:Blackreach===
An absolutely vast dungeon featured in the [[Skyrim:Main Quest|Main Quest]], featuring a few sidequests and plenty of auxiliary dungeons. Would aid cohesion of pages such as [[Skyrim:A Return To Your Roots|A Return To Your Roots]] and [[Skyrim:Elder Knowledge|Elder Knowledge]].
:Done [[SR:Blackreach]]. --[[User:Nephele|Nephele]][[User_talk:Nephele|Talk]] 05:07, 16 November 2011 (UTC)

===Skyrim:Night Mother===
For the Dark Brotherhood's Night Mother
:Done [[SR:Night Mother]]. --[[User:Nephele|Nephele]][[User_talk:Nephele|Talk]] 05:07, 16 November 2011 (UTC)

===Skyrim Books by Subject===
Since we already have the same articles for [[Daggerfall:Books by Subject|each]] [[Morrowind:Books by Subject|previous]] [[Oblivion:Books by Subject|game]] and one for all of the games [[Lore:Books by Subject|combined]], we could use one for [[Skyrim:Books by Subject|Skyrim]] too. -- [[User:Kertaw48|kertaw48]] 13:06, 15 November 2011 (UTC)
:Done [[SR:Books by Subject]]. --[[User:Nephele|Nephele]][[User_talk:Nephele|Talk]] 05:07, 16 November 2011 (UTC)

===Dragon Bridge People===
A page listing the NPC's in Dragon Bridge needs to be made, as well as every other town/city in Skyrim for that matter, so that in the Dragon Bridge page, they will appear; e.g. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Whiterun has http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Whiterun_People. I'm fully prepared to go through every detail of Dragon Bridge at the moment, and would be more than willing to do the same for the other settlements. Also, how can I become a UESP editor and be able to create my own pages, bypassing this request process?
:People pages created for all cities and towns, although they still need to be transcluded on all those pages. If you qualify to be a [[UESPWiki:Userpatroller]] you can make a request on that page. --[[User:Nephele|Nephele]][[User_talk:Nephele|Talk]] 05:07, 16 November 2011 (UTC)

===Paarthurnax===
Younger brother of Alduin, and son of Akatosh. Paarthunax is the Master of the Graybeards. He teaches the Player the "Fire Breath" shout. Paarthurnax also helps the Dovahkiin defeat Alduin in the first battle between the two. Resides on the Throat of the World.
:Already exists: see [[SR:Paarthurnax]]. --[[User:Nephele|Nephele]][[User_talk:Nephele|Talk]] 21:11, 14 November 2011 (UTC)
::Can't we have one for the eponymous NPC as well? [[User:Tentacle|Tentacle]] 16:47, 15 November 2011 (UTC)
:::Agree we need a page for the NPC as well. [[User:Revoran|Revoran]] 19:08, 15 November 2011 (UTC)
::::Sorry about not catching that the first time. But since he's a dragon (according to both his race and class), I created the page at [[SR:Paarthurnax (dragon)]]. --[[User:Nephele|Nephele]][[User_talk:Nephele|Talk]] 05:07, 16 November 2011 (UTC)

===Blessings: Blessing of Talos===
There should be a page for all the Skyrim blessings. However, the Blessing of Talos has a specific/unusual bonus, "fortify shout", which reduces shout cooldown times. As this is A) extremely useful and B) rare, and not obvious, it should be mentioned somewhere on the wiki. The Blessing of Talos can be obtained in Markath, in the Shrine of Talos, at the statue of Talos. Blessings have no time limit in Skyrim.

:Request: please explain the blessing: "0% shout time bonus". It's possible implications are unclear or ambiguous. 0% means 'zero', so it could mean that the time between shouts is now zero, and that blessing seems extreme! It could mean that time between shouts has been modified by 0% (zero), but that blessing seems lacking. It could mean .... Much thanks. --[[User:Ebola influenza|Ebola influenza]] 19:22, 23 November 2011 (UTC)

:Just a hint: The blessing of talos can also be aquired in Whiterun (behind the screaming priest), in Riften and probably many other places as well.--[[User:Irian|Irian]] 19:45, 23 November 2011 (UTC)

===Skyrim:Stables===
An articles outlining the information of Skyrim's stables including the locations, horses for sale and price should be created.
:Done [[SR:Stables]] --[[User:Nephele|Nephele]][[User_talk:Nephele|Talk]] 05:07, 16 November 2011 (UTC)

===Skyrim:Traps===
We don't have a page for detailing the various traps, triggers, and disarming mechanics for the assorted traps to be encountered in the Skyrim dungeons.
:Done [[SR:Traps]] --[[User:Nephele|Nephele]][[User_talk:Nephele|Talk]] 05:07, 16 November 2011 (UTC)

===Hired Thugs===
Merchants who notice you've stolen their items AFTER the event will hire three thugs to "teach a lesson" to you. One thug will hold the contract which will also list the NPC's name who hired them. It seems going back to the contractor does not give any extra dialogue or action.
:Done [[SR:Hired Thug]]. --[[User:Nephele|Nephele]][[User_talk:Nephele|Talk]] 05:07, 16 November 2011 (UTC)

===Skyrim:Thalmor and Skyrim:Gray-Manes===
Both of these are fairly important non-joinable factions in Skyrim, the former a little more than the latter. Not sure exactly how Gray-Manes is spelt. We already have a [[Skyrim:Battle-Born|Battle-Born]]s page for reference. [[User:Revoran|Revoran]] 19:08, 15 November 2011 (UTC)
:[[SR:Thalmor]] and [[SR:Gray-Mane]] (although there is still a [[SR talk:Battle-Born#Faction Name|minor question]] about the correct name of the latter page). --[[User:Nephele|Nephele]][[User_talk:Nephele|Talk]] 05:07, 16 November 2011 (UTC)

===Skyrim:Deepwood Vale===
Located in The Reach but has no map icon. Can only be reached through [[Skyrim:Deepwood Redoubt|Deepwood Redoubt]] and must be passed through to access [[Skyrim:Hag's End|Hag's End]]. [[User:Teklanis|Teklanis]] 2:02, 15 November 2011 (CST)
:Done [[SR:Deepwood Vale]]. --[[User:Nephele|Nephele]][[User_talk:Nephele|Talk]] 05:07, 16 November 2011 (UTC)

===Darkwater Crossing People===
NPC list table for Darkwater Crossing Residents. Its marked as mine, but is really a settlement. The mine has its own zone and a different.
: [[Skyrim:Darkwater Crossing People]] - done. [[User:Rpeh|rpeh]] •[[User_Talk:Rpeh|T]]•[[Special:Contributions/Rpeh|C]]•[[Special:Emailuser/Rpeh|E]]• 14:30, 16 November 2011 (UTC)

===Babette===
That creepy little girl...
: [[Skyrim:Babette]] - done. [[User:Rpeh|rpeh]] •[[User_Talk:Rpeh|T]]•[[Special:Contributions/Rpeh|C]]•[[Special:Emailuser/Rpeh|E]]• 14:30, 16 November 2011 (UTC)

===Multi Effect Poisons and Potions List===
Might be useful since I am starting to compile a list of ingredients that go beyond 1 effect.
: [[Skyrim:Useful Potions]] created for consistency with other games. [[User:Rpeh|rpeh]] •[[User_Talk:Rpeh|T]]•[[Special:Contributions/Rpeh|C]]•[[Special:Emailuser/Rpeh|E]]• 14:30, 16 November 2011 (UTC)

===Left-Handed Elves===
A race of Mer which should be added to the list of races on this wiki. Only briefly mentioned in a few in-game books, the Left-Handed Elves supposedly lived in the Redguard homeland of Yokuda. It is implied they were entirely destroyed by the Redguards in a war between the two. The rest died with Yokuda. They are thought to have created the Orichalc Tower of Yokuda. These elves haven't been reported to have Touched even the Abecean Isles, and therefore had died long before the Ayleids started White Gold Tower. (Directly Sourced from "The Elder Scrolls Wiki")
: Not done. Sounds like fanfic. The ES Wiki is not a reliable source. [[User:Rpeh|rpeh]] •[[User_Talk:Rpeh|T]]•[[Special:Contributions/Rpeh|C]]•[[Special:Emailuser/Rpeh|E]]• 10:16, 17 November 2011 (UTC)

===Barenziah's Stone===
kind of a spoiler page for the "unusual gems". Posting of the quest and location of all 24 stones (i have no clue where all 24 are)if anything user contribs would help to make life *significantly* easier. [[User:Xthatfrenchguyx|Xthatfrenchguyx]] 08:29, 17 November 2011 (UTC)

: The quest [[Skyrim:No Stone Unturned|No Stone Unturned]] already exists, with a list of stone locations. I've created a redirect from [[Skyrim:Stone of Barenziah|Stone of Barenziah]], which is the correct name, to that quest. [[User:Rpeh|rpeh]] •[[User_Talk:Rpeh|T]]•[[Special:Contributions/Rpeh|C]]•[[Special:Emailuser/Rpeh|E]]• 10:24, 17 November 2011 (UTC)

===Udefrykte===
Found in "A Cure For Madness" in the ice caves portion of the mission, is most certainly a reference to the Udyrfrykte from Bloodmoon, who was found in a similar area. Not sure if the spelling is a game error, but it's different than both previous appearances. It's a unique troll nonetheless. --[[User:Applepixie|Applepixie]] 11:43, 17 November 2011 (UTC)
: [[Skyrim:Udefrykte]] - created. [[User:Rpeh|rpeh]] •[[User_Talk:Rpeh|T]]•[[Special:Contributions/Rpeh|C]]•[[Special:Emailuser/Rpeh|E]]• 22:49, 17 November 2011 (UTC)

=== Dremora Kynreeve ===

The Dremora return from Oblivion, they play a role within the quest [[Skyrim: The Black Star|The Black Star]]. They are one of the very few ways to obtain Daedra Hearts and this would help many players in acquiring these much sought-after items. There currently exists, no articles within Skyrim for Dremora.

: [[Skyrim:Dremora Kynreeve]] - created as redirect for now. [[User:Rpeh|rpeh]] •[[User_Talk:Rpeh|T]]•[[Special:Contributions/Rpeh|C]]•[[Special:Emailuser/Rpeh|E]]• 22:49, 17 November 2011 (UTC)

=== Skyrim:Orcish Strongholds ===

These Orcish Strongholds are a specific category of places in Skyrim, being at least four: Narzulbur SE of Windhelm with initiation of an objective to be find gauntlets called the Forgemaster's Fingers, Largashbur W of Riften, Dushnik Yal SE of Markarth and Mor Khazgur far W of Solitude.
The Forgemaster's Fingers can be obtained from several locations:
[http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Cronvangr_Cave Cronvangr Cave],
[http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Morvunskar Morvunskar],
and Cragwallow Slope, which has not yet been put up showing the location, but it is South of Narzulbur, which is East of Kynesgrove - which is South of Windhelm.

: Please forget ESWiki as a reliable source. I've created [[Skyrim:Orcish Strongholds]] in any case. [[User:Rpeh|rpeh]] •[[User_Talk:Rpeh|T]]•[[Special:Contributions/Rpeh|C]]•[[Special:Emailuser/Rpeh|E]]• 22:43, 17 November 2011 (UTC)

::Very good. I did not add those references in my original request. That was added by an anonymous user. Maybe I should have signed my part when I started it, so that the different sources of questions and of information had been more clear? Anyway. As I am not a very experienced wiki user, I appreciate the addition of new categories as a framework to participate as user. They make it easier for me to contribute in my little ways. --[[User:MortenOSlash|MortenOSlash]] 09:45, 18 November 2011 (UTC)

===Skyrim:Alduin===
I think we would benefit from an SR:Alduin page, to replace any links in Skyrim articles to his Lore article. It will allow us to give more focused and applicable information about him, rather than a general overview of his role in Tamriel, perhaps? [[User:Tentacle|Tentacle]] 08:13, 18 November 2011 (UTC)
: [[Skyrim:Alduin]] - done. Definitely needed. [[User:Rpeh|rpeh]] •[[User_Talk:Rpeh|T]]•[[Special:Contributions/Rpeh|C]]•[[Special:Emailuser/Rpeh|E]]• 09:54, 18 November 2011 (UTC)

===Lore:The Great War===
I would just like for a redirect about the [[Lore:The Great War|the Great War]] to be created, to the section about it on the [[Lore:Wars#The Great War|Wars]] page. -- [[User:Kertaw48|kertaw48]] 13:05, 19 November 2011 (UTC)
: [[Lore:Great War]] created - we don't use "The" in such redirects. [[User:Rpeh|rpeh]] •[[User_Talk:Rpeh|T]]•[[Special:Contributions/Rpeh|C]]•[[Special:Emailuser/Rpeh|E]]• 13:14, 19 November 2011 (UTC)

=== Spriggan ===
Figured with all the shuffling of creatures into their own individual pages, I could write a quick overview of spriggans. [[User:Xthatfrenchguyx|Xthatfrenchguyx]] 04:32, 19 November 2011 (UTC)
: [[Skyrim:Spriggan]] created as a redirect for now, but it can easily be expanded into a full page. [[User:Rpeh|rpeh]] •[[User_Talk:Rpeh|T]]•[[Special:Contributions/Rpeh|C]]•[[Special:Emailuser/Rpeh|E]]• 13:14, 19 November 2011 (UTC)

===[[Skyrim:Shadowmere|Shadowmere]]===
Shadowmere needs a page. She is different than she was in Oblivion (in that she can die), and requires her own page to inform readers to this fact. --[[User:Saphireking65|Saphireking65]] 09:46, 19 November 2011 (UTC)
: NepheleBot took care of this one earlier. [[User:Rpeh|rpeh]] •[[User_Talk:Rpeh|T]]•[[Special:Contributions/Rpeh|C]]•[[Special:Emailuser/Rpeh|E]]• 13:14, 19 November 2011 (UTC)

===Daedric===
Please redirect to [[Skyrim:Daedric Quests|Daedric Quests]]. Thanks. [[User:Elliot|elliot]] ([[User_talk:Elliot|talk]]) 18:52, 19 November 2011 (UTC)
:[[Skyrim:Daedric]]. There you go. --[[User:Alpha Kenny Buddy|AKB]] [[User_talk:Alpha_Kenny_Buddy|Talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Alpha Kenny Buddy|Cont]] [[Special:Emailuser/Alpha Kenny Buddy|Mail]] 22:44, 19 November 2011 (UTC)
::That one might not have been a good idea. We may want a page on Daedric weapons and armor, in the style of [[MW:Daedric]]. [[User:Rpeh|rpeh]] •[[User_Talk:Rpeh|T]]•[[Special:Contributions/Rpeh|C]]•[[Special:Emailuser/Rpeh|E]]• 22:52, 19 November 2011 (UTC)
:::I was basing my decision here due to [[Oblivion:Daedric]] redirecting to [[Oblivion:Daedric Quests]]. I'd imagine that an entire article won't be necessary as Daedric equipment doesn't seem to be as important as it was in Morrowind (though a lot more valuable than it was in Oblivion). I always thought that the linked to Morrowind page existed due to the extreme rarity of Daedric equipment, I believe it isn't as big a deal this time as you can make the armor from scratch now. --[[User:Alpha Kenny Buddy|AKB]] [[User_talk:Alpha_Kenny_Buddy|Talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Alpha Kenny Buddy|Cont]] [[Special:Emailuser/Alpha Kenny Buddy|Mail]] 23:03, 19 November 2011 (UTC)
::::Yes, and I was mainly doing it for the trail. [[User:Elliot|elliot]] ([[User_talk:Elliot|talk]]) 00:29, 20 November 2011 (UTC)

=== Skyrim:Frostglow Lighthouse===

A page on the location would be nice. Just an overview.

: I think you mean [[Skyrim:Frostflow Lighthouse]], which already exists. [[User:Rpeh|rpeh]] •[[User_Talk:Rpeh|T]]•[[Special:Contributions/Rpeh|C]]•[[Special:Emailuser/Rpeh|E]]• 22:38, 19 November 2011 (UTC)

=== Skyrim:Fencing ===

I would like to make a page with an overview of all the fences that are in the game. Who they are, how much coin they carry, where they are on the map and how they are obtained. This would come in handy for players who want to sell lot's of stolen items.
:It doesn't need a separate article. Fences should be included with all other merchanats [[SR:Merchants]], with an appropriate (e.g.,[[File:Fenceicon_small.png]]) icon to identify them. A separate list of just fences can be included in [[SR:Crime]]. --[[User:Nephele|Nephele]][[User_talk:Nephele|Talk]] 15:51, 19 November 2011 (UTC)

=== Dragon Priest Shrine ===

This is the place to obtain ninth dragon mask after you've collected all other masks, including the wooden one. I think this page should contain links to all other masks and instructions on obtaining the artifact. --[[User:Electricitydrive|Electricitydrive]] 02:38, 19 November 2011 (UTC)
:There's no place named "Dragon Priest Shrine". Whatever the place's proper name actually is, there is probably already a page there. --[[User:Nephele|Nephele]][[User_talk:Nephele|Talk]] 15:51, 19 November 2011 (UTC)
::My fault. Its called Bromjunaar Sanctuary and the page does exist. Thx. --[[User:Electricitydrive|Electricitydrive]] 23:20, 19 November 2011 (UTC)
:::You should still create the page and add a redirect to [[Skyrim:Bromjunaar Sanctuary]] since the term has been coined and there are lots of incoming searches without the proper name --[[User:Notjester|Notjester]] 19:46, 22 November 2011 (UTC)

=== Orma, Yerpest, Horwalli ===
Th Orma, Yerpest, and Horwalli are all tribes and races of men which should be added to the list of races on this wiki. The Orma, Yerpest, and Horwalli are tribes dating from the First Era. There is an elevated occurrence of congenital blindness in the Orma tribe, more specifically completely lacking eyes, and such individuals are said to be masters of their other senses. The Orma, Yerpest, and Horwalli were humans. They, along with the Kothringi, did not survive the outbreak of the Knahaten Flu and they may have not been around long before that as the Kothringi were the only humans to persist for long in Black Marsh. (2920, The Last Year of the First Era) (Sourced from "The Elder Scrolls Wiki")

Each race(please correct me if i am wrong, as they may have merely been just human tribes, not races) should receive their own page.
: Not done. Sounds like fanfic. The ES Wiki is not a reliable source. [[User:Rpeh|rpeh]] •[[User_Talk:Rpeh|T]]•[[Special:Contributions/Rpeh|C]]•[[Special:Emailuser/Rpeh|E]]• 10:16, 17 November 2011 (UTC)

::"In additional [sic] to the reptilian Argonians, who are today Black Marsh's most visible denizen, there were once tribes of men – '''Kothringi, Orma, Yerpest, Horwalli''' — and tribes of mer — the '''Barsaebic Ayleids and the Cantemiric Velothi''' — and even a tribe who may have been related to the Khajiit of Elsweyr, the vulpine '''Lilmothiit'''. Some were sent to Black Marsh as refugees or prisoners, others settled along the coastal waterways and adapted to its strange and usually insalubrious environment."(In game book) The Kothringi and the Lilmothiit are both considered in lore, but the other bolded races are not. They all hail from Black Marsh. I believe I have found several new and maybe extinct races. These races are not fan fiction, as they were referred to by the in game book, a [[UESPWiki:Pocket Guide to the Empire, 3rd Edition/Argonia.|Pocket Guide to the Empire, 3rd Edition/Argonia.]]

:::Sounds to me they are nothing more than tribes of Nedic people. Just like the Barsaebic Ayelids were Wild Elves and the Cantemiric Velothi were Chimer. No mystery here. -- [[User:Kertaw48|kertaw48]] 13:05, 19 November 2011 (UTC)

::::Fair Enough, but the Kothringi were a tribal race from Black Marsh with differing physical descriptions than other human races. As described above, the Orma have drastically different physical traits than say, an Imperial. They may have been related to the Nedes, but i think they are everything as much as their own race as the Kothringi are. I'm sure you have read the Pocket Guide to The Empire/Argonia, and the book refers to several tribes of men "In additional to the reptilian Argonians, who are today Black Marsh's most visible denizen, there were once tribes of men – Kothringi, Orma, Yerpest, Horwalli..." Because of their own unique cultures and physical descriptions, I think they could be considered their own races, and not simply different tribes of Nedic men. (if not their own races, then maybe have a Tribe page be set up, naming and describing all known indigenous tribes of Tamriel as well as all other non-indigenous tribes that we know of.) Thank you for the two previous replies, let's figure this out.

::::: Fine, they receive one-word mentions in one book. There's nothing to say about them. [[User:Rpeh|rpeh]] •[[User_Talk:Rpeh|T]]•[[Special:Contributions/Rpeh|C]]•[[Special:Emailuser/Rpeh|E]]• 22:53, 19 November 2011 (UTC)
::::::Ok, no need to come off as closed minded. I just wanted to help the Wiki in any way I can. Lore is lore, whether it is short or not, but what do I know? It's not like cannonical, written lore found in game can be considered good enough to be on this Wiki.
:::::::Okay, [[Lore:Orma]], [[Lore:Yerpest]], [[Lore:Horwalli]] created as redirects to Lore:Kothringi for now. [[User:Rpeh|rpeh]] •[[User_Talk:Rpeh|T]]•[[Special:Contributions/Rpeh|C]]•[[Special:Emailuser/Rpeh|E]]• 14:58, 23 November 2011 (UTC)

===Sinderion===
A recurring character from Oblivion, found in Blackreach (under Alftand), again searching for his beloved Nirnroot.
:He's mostly calcium by the time we reach him in Blackreach. I think his Skyrim status is fine as a trivia note on his [[Oblivion:Sinderion#Trivia|Oblivion page]].
::Done. [[SR:Sinderion]]. --[[User:Nephele|Nephele]][[User_talk:Nephele|Talk]] 15:51, 19 November 2011 (UTC)

=== Souls ===

A page for [[Skyrim:Souls]] needs to be created so that a list of various soul sizes for different creatures can be started just like in [[Oblivion:Souls]]. There are also several pages already linking to [[Skyrim:Souls]], including [[Skyrim:Soul Trap|Soul Trap]], [[Skyrim:Soul Gem|Soul Gem]], [[Skyrim:Animals|Animals]], [[Skyrim:Dremora Kynreeve|Dremora Kynreeve]], and [[Skyrim:Mammoth|Mammoth]]. The only pages about souls in Skyrim are the various pages about the items and spells that have the word "soul" in them. Much obliged :) --[[User:Nicklink483|Nicklink483]] 11:43, 21 November 2011 (UTC)
: Done. [[User:Rpeh|rpeh]] •[[User_Talk:Rpeh|T]]•[[Special:Contributions/Rpeh|C]]•[[Special:Emailuser/Rpeh|E]]• 13:40, 21 November 2011 (UTC)

=== Job Oriented Redirects ===
There's a redirect for Tanning Rack to Tanning. Could use a few redirect pages created: to [[Skyrim:Cooking]]: [[Skyrim:Cooking Pot]], [[Skyrim:Cooking Spit]], to [[Skyrim:Enchanting]]: [[Skyrim:Arcane Enchanter]], to [[Skyrim:Alchemy]]: [[Skyrim:Alchemy Lab]].
: Done. [[User:Rpeh|rpeh]] •[[User_Talk:Rpeh|T]]•[[Special:Contributions/Rpeh|C]]•[[Special:Emailuser/Rpeh|E]]• 13:40, 21 November 2011 (UTC)

===Second Treaty of Stros M'kai===
I'm willing to write the page if someone will add it. I'll be using [[Skyrim:The Great War|"A Concise Account of the Great War Between the Empire and the Aldmeri Dominion"]] as a reference. [[User:sans|sans]] 18:52, 20 November 2011 (UTC)
: Don't think this needs a page of its own, although maybe a redirect would be helpful eventually. For now, add any information to the Wars page - see [[Lore:Great War]]. [[User:Rpeh|rpeh]] •[[User_Talk:Rpeh|T]]•[[Special:Contributions/Rpeh|C]]•[[Special:Emailuser/Rpeh|E]]• 13:40, 21 November 2011 (UTC)

=== [[Skyrim:Atronach|Atronach]] ===
Should redir to [[Skyrim:Daedra#Atronach]]. [[User:Lukish|Lukish_]] [[User talk:Lukish|Tlk]] [[Special:Contributions/Lukish|Cnt]] 14:35, 21 November 2011 (UTC)
: Done. [[User:Rpeh|rpeh]] •[[User_Talk:Rpeh|T]]•[[Special:Contributions/Rpeh|C]]•[[Special:Emailuser/Rpeh|E]]• 15:05, 21 November 2011 (UTC)

=== [[Skyrim:Atronach Forge|Atronach Forge]] ===
unsure whether it needs redirect to [[Skyrim:The_Midden#Atronach_Forge]] or a new page containing compiled list of recipes while also sorting out the different [[Skyrim:Atronach Forge Recipe]] books (disambig). [[User:Lukish|Lukish_]] [[User talk:Lukish|Tlk]] [[Special:Contributions/Lukish|Cnt]] 14:35, 21 November 2011 (UTC)
: Done. Coincidentally, I was just splitting up the different recipes. [[User:Rpeh|rpeh]] •[[User_Talk:Rpeh|T]]•[[Special:Contributions/Rpeh|C]]•[[Special:Emailuser/Rpeh|E]]• 15:05, 21 November 2011 (UTC)

===Skyrim:Shout===
Redirect to "Skyrim:Dragon Shout", so people can just search "Shout" and get what they want.
:Done [[SR:Shout]]. --[[User:Nephele|Nephele]][[User_talk:Nephele|Talk]] 04:41, 22 November 2011 (UTC)

=== Enchantments ===
List of all possible unlockable enchantments, and what they can be placed on. Unique enchantments, like Huntsman's Prowess, which can only be found on certain weapons, will have links to that weapon's page. Also included will be the default enchantment with a grand soul gem.
--[[User:Minimang|Minimang]] 17:35, 20 November 2011 (UTC)

EDIT: Never mind. Some wonderful human being added it to the [[Skyrim:Enchanting]] page.--[[User:Minimang|Minimang]] 00:44, 22 November 2011 (UTC)

===Stormcloak/imperial quests===
[[Skyrim:A False Front|A False Front]] and [[Skyrim:Compelling Tribute|Compelling Tribute]] (and most likely more quests) are the names of imperial and stormcloak quests, so i think we will need to move the ones mentioned there to <nowiki>[[Skyrim:A False Front (Stormcloak)|A False Front (Stormcloak)]]</nowiki> and <nowiki>[[Skyrim:Compelling Tribute (Stormcloak)|Compelling Tribute (Stormcloak)]]</nowiki> as they already have the stormcloak information, then make a imperial version for them, and make the current pages disambiguation. ([[user:Eddie the head|Eddie The Head]] 04:12, 20 November 2011 (UTC))
:In each case, there is only one quest by that name. Variations are due to the Radiant Quest system, and should all be incorporated into the same article. --[[User:Nephele|Nephele]][[User_talk:Nephele|Talk]] 04:26, 20 November 2011 (UTC)

::no its not the radiant quest thats varying it, its the two factions, imperials and stormcloaks. ([[user:Eddie the head|Eddie The Head]] 04:43, 20 November 2011 (UTC))

:::You'll note on [[Skyrim:The Jagged Crown|The Jagged Crown]] They attempted to put them both together, and as far as I can tell it just makes a huge mess of the page and makes it unduly large. Really, it's better to have them each send to their own pages and if someone searches for the quest name alone, have it send to a disambiguation with the links to each. In addition to [[Skyrim:A False Front|A False Front]], [[Skyrim:The Jagged Crown|The Jagged Crown]] and [[Skyrim:Compelling Tribute|Compelling Tribute]] it also happens with, [[Skyrim:Message to Whiterun]] [[User:Shardok|Shardok]] 14:55, 20 November 2011 (UTC)
:::And yeah, if you look in The Jagged Crown you'll see they have different quest IDs too.[[User:Shardok|Shardok]] 14:56, 20 November 2011 (UTC)

::::Maybe there needs to be a completely different concept for organizing these particular sets of quests. Due to their extreme importance in the main story-line, I think some extra time can be put into them. The current page used for the both is not a real combination of the two quests, but an awkward concatenation (addition). What would be better, to show where the differences and similarities lie, would be this: A page that, when there are similar sections, (such as name, destination, general description) all information is displayed as a single quest. When there become divergences, (specific quest text, dialogue, etc.) the page is split into two, side by side, the left half of the page showing Imperial design, and the right showing the Stormcloak design. The similar sections would likely need to be all at the top, to give enough space to explain what the heck is with the side-by-side pages near the bottom. Any pictures and references can probably remain combined together at the bottom. Just a thought, tell me why I'm crazy.--[[User:Dalsio|Dalsio]] 04:01, 21 November 2011 (UTC)

:::::I see that the pages are being created/split, thanks, im going to make a new character when i get home and ill fill in the stormcloak pages properly.([[user:Eddie the head|Eddie The Head]] 04:54, 21 November 2011 (UTC))

{{od}} all quests for [[Skyrim:Stormcloaks|Skyrim:Stormcloaks]] and [[Skyrim:Imperial Legion|Skyrim:Imperial Legion]] created. --[[User:Krusty|Krusty]] 07:17, 21 November 2011 (UTC)

:thanks, im gonna do the stormcloaks now, just gonna make a new character for it. ([[user:Eddie the head|Eddie The Head]] 07:47, 21 November 2011 (UTC))

===Imperial Legion quest pages===
Please create pages accordingly for [[Skyrim:Imperial Army]] quest line. I have created the links to them in "[[Skyrim:Imperial Army#Quests|Quests]]" section.

Also i'd like to ask someone with more experience to validate quest hierarchy i've created. As I understand there have never been multiple quest names before so this seems to be a fairly new concept.

:: all quests for [[Skyrim:Stormcloaks|Skyrim:Stormcloaks]] and [[Skyrim:Imperial Legion|Skyrim:Imperial Legion]] created. --[[User:Krusty|Krusty]] 07:17, 21 November 2011 (UTC)

=== Dragon Claws ===

Greetings. I would like to suggest a page with all of the Dragon Claws (keys) listed, also with their respective locations and uses. Right now searching for some of them leads to miscellaneous section of Skyrim items. --[[User:Electricitydrive|Electricitydrive]] 02:38, 19 November 2011 (UTC)
:It should just be a subsection of [[SR:Miscellaneous Items]]. --[[User:Nephele|Nephele]][[User_talk:Nephele|Talk]] 15:51, 19 November 2011 (UTC)
::Could you please elaborate on how it should be done? Should it be another section/chart listing all the claws or something like notes section, so the person clicking on claw in main chart would be directed to the lower section of the page? --[[User:Electricitydrive|Electricitydrive]] 23:07, 19 November 2011 (UTC)
:::See [[SR:Miscellaneous Items#Dragon Claws]]. --[[User:Nephele|Nephele]][[User_talk:Nephele|Talk]] 04:41, 22 November 2011 (UTC)

=== Unique Weapons ===
A unique weapons page would for one clean up the Generic Magic Weapons page, also that page is making it sound that the unique items are randomly generated. Tried making the page myself but was unable too [[User:AlphaOmega|AlphaOmega]] 23:42, 21 November 2011 (UTC)
:[[SR:Unique Items]] and [[SR:Quest Items]] created. --[[User:Nephele|Nephele]][[User_talk:Nephele|Talk]] 04:41, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
::On the subject of [[SR:Quest Items|Quest Items]], how many are there? And are they categorized yet? --[[User:Kiz|Kiz]] ·•· [[User_Talk:Kiz|Talk]] ·•· [[Special:Contributions/Kiz|Contribs]] ·•· [[Special:EmailUser/Kiz|Mail]] ·•· 10:06, 22 November 2011 (UTC)

===Message to Whiterun===
This one obviously got missed, its name is shared by the imperials and stormcloaks, but there is only one page, can someone create them please? ([[user:Eddie the head|Eddie The Head]] 09:37, 22 November 2011 (UTC))

: [[Skyrim:Message to Whiterun]] - already exists. [[User:Rpeh|rpeh]] •[[User_Talk:Rpeh|T]]•[[Special:Contributions/Rpeh|C]]•[[Special:Emailuser/Rpeh|E]]• 10:01, 22 November 2011 (UTC)

::no, i meant it needs a stormcloak, and imperial version, both factions have a quest of the same name, like [[Skyrim:The Jagged Crown (Imperial)|The Jagged Crown (Imperial)]] and [[Skyrim:The Jagged Crown (Stormcloaks)|The Jagged Crown (Stormcloaks)]] ([[user:Eddie the head|Eddie The Head]] 10:05, 22 November 2011 (UTC))

:::Fine. [[Skyrim:Message to Whiterun (Stormcloaks)]] and [[Skyrim:Message to Whiterun (Imperial)]] created. [[User:Rpeh|rpeh]] •[[User_Talk:Rpeh|T]]•[[Special:Contributions/Rpeh|C]]•[[Special:Emailuser/Rpeh|E]]• 10:18, 22 November 2011 (UTC)

===[[Skyrim:Sapphire_(NPC)|Sapphire (NPC)]]===
Current [[Skyrim:Sapphire]] should be disambig for her and for [[Skyrim:Sapphire (item)]]. [[User:Lukish|Lukish_]] [[User talk:Lukish|Tlk]] [[Special:Contributions/Lukish|Cnt]] 14:09, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
:Page move and disambig done. --[[User:Nephele|Nephele]][[User_talk:Nephele|Talk]] 16:26, 22 November 2011 (UTC)

=== Khajiit Traders ===
Because they are traveling and don't have a place to stay, a people page (like riverwood people ect.)for them would be nice. With this I would be able to group and add them to the [[Skyrim:People]] page. --[[User:Lex|Lex]] 22:49, 21 November 2011 (UTC)
: [[SR:Khajiit Traders]] done. --[[User:Nephele|Nephele]][[User_talk:Nephele|Talk]] 16:26, 22 November 2011 (UTC)

=== Combat ===
The combat system in Skyrim is more dynamic than that of Morrowind or even Oblivion. More important than a general combat strategy is a strategy for fighting specific creatures like Giant Frostbite Spiders or Dragons. I propose adding specific combat strategy sections to creature pages along with a description that particular creature's combat effectiveness. Maybe creating a index of creature under the page Skyrim:Combat that includes do's and don't's when fighting particularly tough critters.
:This does not require a new page request. Pages already exist at [[SR:Combat]] and for every creature type ([[SR:Animals]], [[SR:Monsters]], [[SR:Undead]], etc.), not to mention redirects for every individual creature name and/or individual pages for every unique creature. You are free to add any information you like to those pages. Requests are only necessary if a page needs to be created -- if the wiki restrictions are making it impossible for you to otherwise make the edits you think need to be made. --[[User:Nephele|Nephele]][[User_talk:Nephele|Talk]] 17:21, 22 November 2011 (UTC)

===Quest: Deliver Idgrod's Note to Danica===
This might be another Radiant quest. Given by [[Skyrim:Idgrod_the_Younger|Idgrod the Younger]], in Morthal. Deliver a note regarding her brother Joric to Danica Pure-Spring in Whiterun. I'll update this section if/when I get more details. [[User:Krag|Krag]] 02:30, 23 November 2011 (UTC)
:Yep, it's a radiant quest, but I used it as a test case for how to set one up: [[SR:Delivery]] (with redirects for the names of each possible objective, including [[SR:Deliver Idgrod's Note to Danica]]). --[[User:Nephele|Nephele]][[User_talk:Nephele|Talk]] 08:21, 23 November 2011 (UTC)

:: Sweet, thanks! Looks quite good actually. [[User:Krag|Krag]] 11:42, 23 November 2011 (UTC)

===Psijic===
Psijic and their order need a page
: [[Skyrim:Psijic Order]] created, although an awful lot of the content should go on [[Lore:Psijic Order]] and be transcluded. [[User:Rpeh|rpeh]] •[[User_Talk:Rpeh|T]]•[[Special:Contributions/Rpeh|C]]•[[Special:Emailuser/Rpeh|E]]• 14:58, 23 November 2011 (UTC)

===Skyrim:Lake Tear===
Not sure if its mentioned in game by name, but its clearly marked on all the map literature. The smaller lake near Ivarstead. [[Skyrim:Treva River]] flows between it and
[[Skyrim:Lake Honrich]]--[[User:Bwross|Bwross]] 11:30, 23 November 2011 (UTC)
:Actually maybe just a redirect from Lake Tear to Lake Geir. Name appears to have changed. If that is the case a rediret from Black River to Darkwater River could be used as well. The print maps of the game often refer to these areas as Black River and Lake Tear.--[[User:Bwross|Bwross]] 11:30, 23 November 2011 (UTC)
::[[Skyrim:Lake Tear]] created as a redirect for now. [[User:Rpeh|rpeh]] •[[User_Talk:Rpeh|T]]•[[Special:Contributions/Rpeh|C]]•[[Special:Emailuser/Rpeh|E]]• 14:58, 23 November 2011 (UTC)

===Skyrim:Synod===
There should be a page with a description of the Synod and some key members of the group.
: [[Skyrim:Synod]] - done. [[User:Rpeh|rpeh]] •[[User_Talk:Rpeh|T]]•[[Special:Contributions/Rpeh|C]]•[[Special:Emailuser/Rpeh|E]]• 14:58, 23 November 2011 (UTC)

===Lore: Great Collapse===
There should definitely be an article about the Great Collapse.
: I'm not sure this is necessary. Everything to do with this is related to Winterhold, I believe, so can go on that page. [[User:Rpeh|rpeh]] •[[User_Talk:Rpeh|T]]•[[Special:Contributions/Rpeh|C]]•[[Special:Emailuser/Rpeh|E]]• 14:58, 23 November 2011 (UTC)

===Serpentstone Isle===
The isle isn't indicated on the map by an icon or anything like that, but you ''are'' told to go there as part of the Stormcloaks initiation and it is an island. Perhaps create the page and list it as a landmark? [[User:Revoran|Revoran]] 19:28, 15 November 2011 (UTC)
:Are you sure the place actually exists? There is no place with a name or editor id remotely resembling that name. It's not a separate worldspace, unlike several of the other missing places names. All I can find is a dialogue asking what's there. --[[User:Nephele|Nephele]][[User_talk:Nephele|Talk]] 05:07, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
::If I remember correcly this is the small island where the The Serpent Stone is located. Its also part of the [[Skyrim:Joining_the_Stormcloaks|Joining the Stormcloaks]] quest and mentioned in the questlog. You are also able to Fast Travle to this island but the icon on the map is the one for the standing stone. --[[User:Lex|Lex]] 22:37, 21 November 2011 (UTC)
:::Then is there a page for that standing stone? You may want to roll the two places into one, if the island is small enough. That's likely what the developers intended anyway.--[[User:Dalsio|Dalsio]] 05:03, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
::::[[SR:The Serpent Stone]] just has a redirect -- but if the only intent is to tell people where the location is, then Serpentstone Isle could redirect to the same place. --[[User:Nephele|Nephele]][[User_talk:Nephele|Talk]] 16:26, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
:::::[[Skyrim:Serpentstone Isle]] - created as a redirect. It's mentioned in one quest update and one bit of dialogue, and even though a search would probably take you to the right place, we may as well have an official redirect. [[User:Rpeh|rpeh]] •[[User_Talk:Rpeh|T]]•[[Special:Contributions/Rpeh|C]]•[[Special:Emailuser/Rpeh|E]]• 15:20, 23 November 2011 (UTC)

=== Hired Thugs ===
These may attack the character when the character has stolen something. These do not appear to be mentioned in the NPC's section and should be added as an official page.

:This page already exists but as a redirect - [[Skyrim:Thug|Thug]]. You can just edit it though to add information on it. --[[User:Kiz|Kiz]] ·•· [[User_Talk:Kiz|Talk]] ·•· [[Special:Contributions/Kiz|Contribs]] ·•· [[Special:EmailUser/Kiz|Mail]] ·•· 19:46, 23 November 2011 (UTC)

::Actually, there's an existing article at [[SR:Hired Thug]]. Please use the search feature to look for pages before making a request. Or even just try searching on this page to find the [[#Hired Thugs|previous request]] and previous response. --[[User:Nephele|Nephele]][[User_talk:Nephele|Talk]] 19:57, 23 November 2011 (UTC)

===[[Skyrim:The Song of Pelinal|Skyrim:The Song of Pelinal]]===

A page for the series of books, see [[Lore:The Song of Pelinal|Lore:The Song of Pelinal]] you can probably just {Lore:The Song of Pelinal} actually. I have already made all the necessary changes to the book pages (and cleaned them up).

[[User:Krogglidor|-Krogg]][[User Talk:Krogglidor|lid]][[Special: Contributions/Krogglidor|or]] 08:14, 24 November 2011 (UTC)

:Actually while you are at it do you think you could make [[Skyrim:Anvil]] redirect to [[Skyrim:Forge]]? There are [[Skyrim:Forelhost|anvils around]] that allow you to forge. (Didn't really see a need to create a new section for such a small matter :/)

:[[User:Krogglidor|-Krogg]][[User Talk:Krogglidor|lid]][[Special: Contributions/Krogglidor|or]] 11:24, 24 November 2011 (UTC)

:: Done and done. [[User:Rpeh|rpeh]] •[[User_Talk:Rpeh|T]]•[[Special:Contributions/Rpeh|C]]•[[Special:Emailuser/Rpeh|E]]• 14:19, 24 November 2011 (UTC)

:::Thanks. :)

:::[[User:Krogglidor|-Krogg]][[User Talk:Krogglidor|lidor]][[Special: Contributions/Krogglidor|♥]] 00:47, 25 November 2011 (UTC)

==Creating Pages==
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Skyrim:Ogmund

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{{Empty|NPC}}
{{NPC Summary
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|respawn=
|loc=Ogmund's House
|race=Nord
|gender=Male
|class=Bard
|faction={{Faction|BardSingerFaction}}; {{Faction|The Reach}}; {{Faction|JobBardFaction}}; {{Faction|Skill Trainer}}; {{Faction|Speechcraft Trainer}}; {{Faction|TownMarkarthFaction}}
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|train=[[Skyrim:Speech|Speech]]
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Ogmund is the resident bard (or as he puts it, "old skald") at the Silver-Blood Inn in [[sr:Markarth|Markarth]]. He spends most of his time at the Inn or else in his home nearby. He claims to have been very influential amongst Skyrim singers, as his styles and songs are still passed down by teachers to their students at the [[sr:Bards College|Bards College]]. He will perform Age of Agression or the Dragonborn Comes upon request. Also, he is an expert [[sr:Speech|Speech]] trainer.


== Related Quests ==
* {{Quest Link|Investigate the Bards College}}
{{Stub|NPC}}

Skyrim:Enthir

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{{NPC Summary
|essential=yes
|respawn=
|loc=Hall of Attainment
|race=Bosmer
|gender=Male
|class=Sorcerer
|faction={{Faction|College of Winterhold|3}}; {{Faction|Winterhold}}; {{Faction|Fence}}; {{Faction|Enthir Services}}
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'''Enthir''' is a male Bosmer living on the second floor of the [[Skyrim:Hall of Attainment|Hall of Attainment]], in the [[Skyrim:College of Winterhold|College of Winterhold]]. When meeting him for the first time, he claims to be able to obtain "hard to find" items, and instructs the player to meet him in his quarters to conduct business discreetly.

He sells mainly mage equipment and supplies, such as staves, robes, scrolls, ingredients, spell books, and soul gems. He does sell some rare items, such as Daedra Hearts and [[Skyrim:Black Soul Gem|Black Soul Gems]]. He will buy any type of item.

He can also be found at The Frozen Hearth Inn in Winterhold.

NOTE: When you become Archmage, he will no longer trade items with you.


{{Stub|NPC}}

Skyrim talk:Enthir

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==Enthir services?==

I'm wondering if there are any limits or blocks on Enthir buying and selling, because I can't get him to do either. I didn't talk to him until after I'd become Archmage of the College of Winterhold, so that might be the cause; he always says "nothing illicit going on here, Archmage" when I run into him. --[[User:Quillan|Quillan]][[User talk:Quillan|Talk]] 14:42, 21 November 2011 (UTC)
:I'm starting to think that when you become archmage he won't trade with you anymore. I loaded an old save from before I was archmage, and it took a couple tries, but I got him to open up the trade dialogue.
It's a shame since he's one of the very few places you can get daedra hearts. If I had know this before I became archmage I never would have done it. [[Special:Contributions/24.33.141.151|24.33.141.151]] 03:26, 25 November 2011 (UTC)

== Doesn't Buy/Sell Anything ==

The only conversation option is 'What's not allowed here?', and that doesn't lead to him buying/selling anything.

Skyrim talk:Enthir

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24.33.141.151: /* Doesn't Buy/Sell Anything */ new section

Skyrim talk:Speech

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24.33.141.151: /* Training Prices */ new section

==Redirect Mercantile Here?==
Mercantile seems to have been effectively merged with this skill. Should we be creating redirects for skills that have been merged with other skills or have been renamed from their Oblivion version? --[[User:Alpha Kenny Buddy|AKB]] [[User_talk:Alpha_Kenny_Buddy|Talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Alpha Kenny Buddy|Cont]] [[Special:Emailuser/Alpha Kenny Buddy|Mail]] 17:14, 1 October 2011 (UTC)
:Huh. Nephele has already done that. Still, it's worth discussing if we should be doing this. --[[User:Alpha Kenny Buddy|AKB]] [[User_talk:Alpha_Kenny_Buddy|Talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Alpha Kenny Buddy|Cont]] [[Special:Emailuser/Alpha Kenny Buddy|Mail]] 17:15, 1 October 2011 (UTC)
::Yes, since people will definitely be searching for them. [[User:Elliot|elliot]] ([[User_talk:Elliot|talk]]) 17:20, 1 October 2011 (UTC)
:::(e/c) Yep, we seem to have had the same idea ;) My thinking was that it's the easiest way to help Oblivion players looking for information on Mercantile. And similarly, the Speechcraft redirect helps anyone who hadn't realized the skill name was tweaked. I don't think there's any downside to doing it -- unless it turns out one of the perks is named 'Mercantile' or there's some other way that Skyrim uses that name, in which case the "proper" Skyrim usage should probably take precedence over a backwards-compatibility redirect. --[[User:Nephele|Nephele]][[User_talk:Nephele|Talk]] 17:22, 1 October 2011 (UTC)
::::Works for me. Just wanted to make sure we had some kind of agreement on this. --[[User:Alpha Kenny Buddy|AKB]] [[User_talk:Alpha_Kenny_Buddy|Talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Alpha Kenny Buddy|Cont]] [[Special:Emailuser/Alpha Kenny Buddy|Mail]] 17:29, 1 October 2011 (UTC)

== Character Dialogue ==
I think we should decide how NPC dialogue should be handled (if it hasn't already). In Oblivion it was ok to say "When asked about Bruma Bob will say X" because most NPCs only had a line or two of unique dialogue that was usually about the city they lived in. In Skyrim though, most NPCs have several topics to discuss. Here is a suggestion:
:'''Alvor'''
''What can you tell me about Riverwood?'':X

''Can I use your forge?'':Y

''What do you do here?'':Z

This could be in a seperate section of the NPC's page called Dialogue or something like that. Any thoughts? [[User:RIM|RIM]] 17:11, 9 November 2011 (UTC)

:How massive is the average amount of dialogue? Personally I don't find fully quoting every dialogue option that useful. If it will be much stuff hiding it on a subpage or into a show/hide box might be worth considering. --[[User:Alfwyn|Alfwyn]] 17:23, 9 November 2011 (UTC)

::I don't see a reason to handle it differently. We've handled complicated NPC dialogue paths before. If anything, I'm glad that I won't just have to write about an NPC's one unique greeting and topic on their city anymore. Quite honestly, I just thought we'd end up creating a Skyrim NPC Redesign Project, with the same rules and standards as the Oblivion version. I don't see why writing, "Asking Alvor what his current occupation is will have him reply by saying: ''"X"'' Asking him for information on his hometown, [[Skyrim:Riverwood|Riverwood]], will have him reply to your query with: ''"Y"'' Asking him for permission to use his forge will have him say, ''"Z1"'', if your standing in his eyes is to low. If you are on more friendly terms with Alvor, he will instead say: ''"Z2"''", would be a problem.

::Essentially, if it isn't broken, why fix it? --[[User:Alpha Kenny Buddy|AKB]] [[User_talk:Alpha_Kenny_Buddy|Talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Alpha Kenny Buddy|Cont]] [[Special:Emailuser/Alpha Kenny Buddy|Mail]] 17:25, 9 November 2011 (UTC)

:::I don't think it's a problem either but it might be better to organise npc dialogue into a section on their page rather than have a huge block of writing,e.g:

:::(basic info)

:::'''Services'''

:::'''Dialogue'''

:::'''Notes'''

:::I don't really mind, it just might look better on the page rather than something like [[Oblivion:Roland Jenseric|this]]. [[User:RIM|RIM]] 17:32, 9 November 2011 (UTC)

::::I used to do this, and it looked rather terrible. More importantly, certain categories blend into one another quite a lot (schedule can effect what someone says, whether they offer services, what they wear, etc.). If Skyrim goes the extra mile with it's NPC complexity as I suspect, the separation will lead to articles becoming either rather redundant, or a confusing mess. The current system is what we've done for the longest time, and I don't see any practical reason to change this. --[[User:Alpha Kenny Buddy|AKB]] [[User_talk:Alpha_Kenny_Buddy|Talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Alpha Kenny Buddy|Cont]] [[Special:Emailuser/Alpha Kenny Buddy|Mail]] 17:55, 9 November 2011 (UTC)

:::::Whatever works best is fine, I was just thinking about the look of the page. If npcs have a lot of dialogue then it might be good to try and break it up just a little, maybe a single line gap or an image somewhere or something like that. Either way I don't really mind how it is handled.[[User:RIM|RIM]] 18:32, 9 November 2011 (UTC)

::::::Really complicated NPCs '''do''' get extra sections. See [[Oblivion:Janus Hassildor]] as an example. My point is, we only do this for VINPCs, the main or major characters. --[[User:Alpha Kenny Buddy|AKB]] [[User_talk:Alpha_Kenny_Buddy|Talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Alpha Kenny Buddy|Cont]] [[Special:Emailuser/Alpha Kenny Buddy|Mail]] 18:34, 9 November 2011 (UTC)

:::::::Some NPCs have tabled dialogue, although the only current example is in a sandbox being tabled. And that looks better for much more than normal amounts of dialogue, the NPC is sheogorath. And i'd say that it looks an improvement for the VINPCs. Normal NPCs should be treated, as well, normal. Until at such point during our almost inevitable SRNPCRP we decide to change it. I will also reiterate that "if it's not broke don't fix it". With the tag line of look into the tables and try it in a preview if you think it may look better :) --[[User:Kiz|Kiz]] ·•· [[User_Talk:Kiz|Talk]] ·•· [[Special:Contributions/Kiz|Contribs]] ·•· [[Special:EmailUser/Kiz|Mail]] ·•· 18:42, 9 November 2011 (UTC)

== Flames spell won't unequip for brawl ==
So I can't brawl because I can't play unarmed at all. The flames spell seems to have no way to get it off my right Han. Even using something else and then getting rid of that item just reverts to flames instead of bare hands.[[Special:Contributions/68.200.239.165|68.200.239.165]] 13:30, 13 November 2011 (UTC)otakun

== Accurate info about speech challenges? ==

"These Speech Challenges will be provided as options during certain dialogues, along with the percentage chance of success." I don't recall percentages being in the game. Am I correct?
[[User:Vontos|Vontos]] 09:06, 15 November 2011 (UTC)

:I removed the following text from that section ", along with the percentage chance of success. You can choose whether or not to accept the challenge, but a failed challenge cannot be retried." because it is incorrect. I also removed "(This is pretty much guaranteed success with the Khajiit race considering they have extra unarmed damage compared to other races)" as player skill, level and difficulty setting have more effect than your choice of race. [[User:Kai Heilos|Kai Heilos]] 00:36, 22 November 2011 (UTC)

== Free skill boost ==
Not really sure where to put this but if you jump from the top of Red Valley Redoubt, the forsworn's main fortress, and land on the lower cliff level, use become ethereal to survive, a ghost of a bard will appear and tell you that it has been a long time since anybody survived the jump. After that he will vanish and your speech skill will increase.[[User:RIM|RIM]] 14:16, 15 November 2011 (UTC)
Nice info. I never even thought to use become ethereal to survive long falls.

== Training Prices ==

I noticed that the price for training speech from the novice trainer was your skill level X10, plus 50. For instance if your level was 45, the cost would be 500. However when that trainer could not teach me anymore, I went to the bard's college to use the trainer there, only to find out the cost had jumped to 1800 something. I thought that maybe it was because I wasn't a member of the college, so I finished that whole questline, but the price stayed the same.

Is this common for all trainers? I tried looking for info on training skills, but the wiki only lists skill trainers and their locations, and doesn't mention price. [[Special:Contributions/24.33.141.151|24.33.141.151]] 02:48, 25 November 2011 (UTC)

Skyrim talk:Speech

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Skyrim talk:Smithing

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== Create page ==
I saw that Elliot said we could create pages, but it still says that I'm not allowed. If it is only for Administraters or patrollers etc. I'm sorry. But if someone wants to create a pickpocketing page, I have a list of all the perks for it on my User page. Thanks. [[User:RIM|RIM]] 19:45, 25 September 2011 (UTC)

:It's on a blacklist at the moment. Elliot is on about removing it so it's just that anons can't create and edit (i think) and think under 'Skyrim'. It is only Admins at the moment though. --[[User:Kiz|Kiz]] ·•· [[User_Talk:Kiz|Talk]] ·•· [[Special:Contributions/Kiz|Contribs]] ·•· [[Special:EmailUser/Kiz|Mail]] ·•· 20:06, 25 September 2011 (UTC)

::Thanks:), I have the perk tree for pickpocketing too so if anybody needs it it can be copied and pasted from me. [[User:RIM|RIM]] 20:09, 25 September 2011 (UTC)

== Verifying the 'Custom items' statement ==

On the page, it claims that hides can be used to customize your items, and I'd like to know an official source for this before I start telling people about it. UESP is usually very professional, but seeing as how there is very little information about the game so far, and the source for this info isn't cited on the page, I'd like to know where the person who added it got this information from. {{unsigned|76.20.221.160|9 October 2011}}

:First, as the banner at the top of the article says, all information is preliminary and subject to change. The only way to be completely certain about any game facts is to wait until the game is released.
:The statement about using hides is a summary of several statements I've seen about how Smithing works. For example, [http://www.videogamer.com/xbox360/the_elder_scrolls_v_skyrim/preview-3152.html a Videogamer preview] says:
::"''Kill a wolf, for example, and you can skin him for his hide, which you can then take to a tannery and turn into leather to use as material to design leather-hilted axes and daggers.''"
:If you prefer hard-copy sources, the PC Gamer Skyrim article says, in reference to "an animal hide" found at a crafting station:
::"''... here you'd take leather and make leather strips... you'd then use leather strips to make your own swords and stuff like that.''"
:It also says:
::"''You could get other items from the tanning rack and combine them all to create weapons and armor''."
:--[[User:Nephele|Nephele]][[User_talk:Nephele|Talk]] 03:46, 12 October 2011 (UTC)

== Sword Sharpening ==

I understand weapons and armor do not degrade, but if you can sharpen your blades does that mean they become dull after a while of fighting, or does it just increase the damage one time depending on your skill level. Thanks.[[User:Apod|Apod]] 18:44, 2 November 2011 (UTC)
:No, they just stay at that level until you improve them further. Then when you're smithing skill improves, you can improve your weapons even more and they will never degrade below that new level and so on until your weapon is at the highest improved level possible.[[User:RIM|RIM]] 19:05, 2 November 2011 (UTC)
::In that case would the swords spawn with a set dullness/sharpness or start at a zero percent until your character brings it to the grind stone. [[User:Apod|Apod]] 21:04, 2 November 2011 (UTC)
:::Let's say you find a steel longsword that does 10 damage, it will be at 100% health and it will never degrade any further. Then you can sharpen it to 110% and now it will never degrade below 110% health and it will do more damage. Then you can sharpen it to 120%(if you are skilled enough) and then 130% and so on. Once you sharpen it, it will never degrade below it's new level so basically you permanently increase it's damage and health. I don't know if you can find weapons that have already been sharpened though.[[User:RIM|RIM]] 12:50, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
:::: Ah, yeah I understand now, it's similar to being an expert armorer in oblivion when you could raise the condition past 100%. Thank you for your help. One more week... [[User:Apod|Apod]] 20:44, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
:::::Except they've taken weapon condition out of the game entirely. Weapons and armor simply no longer have "condition". They have quality levels now instead. Item durability/health is not a part of this game. [[Special:Contributions/24.237.190.24|24.237.190.24]] 18:33, 16 November 2011 (UTC)

== Maces sharpenning? ==

I'm wondering, can we also upgrade maces and warhammers at a grindstone? It wouldn't really make sense but on the other hand it would mean that we can't upgrade these weapons. Or do we have to do it at a workbench?{{unsigned|77.84.51.169|18:36, 5 November 2011}}
:You can sharpen any weapon. Maces usually kill by causing a large impact to organs or other important areas such as blood vessels with effects such as internal bleeding but by sharpening it the mace might cause puncture wounds resulting in blood loss. Workbenches are for improving armour.[[User:RIM|RIM]] 20:52, 5 November 2011 (UTC)

:“Sharpening” a mace might be improving the flanges (i.e. the bit on the side that help to focuses the impact) or improving the weighting (again increasing how much damage it courses) rather than literally sharpening it.

:You can sharpen bows as well. :) --[[Special:Contributions/86.9.123.15|86.9.123.15]] 03:48, 20 November 2011 (UTC)

== There is only one rank of every perk. ==

None of them have two ranks. Not a single one. Why, when I try to change this, does someone change it back? Look at the images from all of the prerelease gameplay floating around. 1 rank of each Smithing perk. Whoever is keeping this charade of two ranks a piece is perpetuating a falsehood with malice aforethought. Stop it! [[Special:Contributions/97.103.109.193|97.103.109.193]] 02:49, 6 November 2011 (UTC)
:The only reliable sources that I've seen show two ranks for each perk. Although it's very possible that it's been changed since the beta version of the game, we'll have to wait for the game is actually released to confirm that. Any other information that you're seeing right now is from a pirated version of the game, which is not a reliable source. I'd rather perpetuate beta-version information than perpetuate illegal information.
:Also, I'm not sure what you mean by "Why, when I try to change this, does someone change it back?". The [http://www.uesp.net/w/index.php?title=Skyrim:Smithing&action=history edit history] of the page does not show any edit, ever, where the number of ranks was changed for any of the perks. Furthermore, none of the edits that you've made to any of the skill pages has been undone. --[[User:Nephele|Nephele]][[User_talk:Nephele|Talk]] 03:10, 6 November 2011 (UTC)
::1 as in O-N-E rank for all the smithing perks. {{uns|91.113.8.202|12:35, 6 November 2011}}
:::There are two ranks for them as for as official sources have shown. We are sticking with official sources for now. --[[User:Kiz|Kiz]] ·•· [[User_Talk:Kiz|Talk]] ·•· [[Special:Contributions/Kiz|Contribs]] ·•· [[Special:EmailUser/Kiz|Mail]] ·•· 12:54, 6 November 2011 (UTC)
::::It's one rank per perk according to all people that have had a "hands-on" game. If the official information says otherwise, then it is just bogus. The version that has been made available illegally is also the retail version, not a beta. {{uns|Loufoque|13:17, 6 November 2011}}
:::::My neighbor is a reviewer and has an official copy of the game for the Xbox. One rank per perk. [[Special:Contributions/174.109.111.197|174.109.111.197]] 18:44, 8 November 2011 (UTC)
{{od}}Well, we'll update it as soon as he posts a review with this information in it. Or, better yet, when the game is released this Friday. --[[User:Alpha Kenny Buddy|AKB]] [[User_talk:Alpha_Kenny_Buddy|Talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Alpha Kenny Buddy|Cont]] [[Special:Emailuser/Alpha Kenny Buddy|Mail]] 18:48, 8 November 2011 (UTC)
:::::Skyrim broke street date in Australia yesterday (final release). I confirm there is only one rank per smithing perk. Updated accordingly. Back to gaming... --[[User:Alienangel|Alienangel]] 11 November 2011
::"Illegal information." oO --[[Special:Contributions/188.109.121.159|188.109.121.159]] 22:52, 22 November 2011 (UTC)

== Power Leveling Section ==

"Power leveling Theory

Continually switch forges, buy out all iron ignots and leather strips, then produce as many iron daggers as possible and sell the daggers back to the forge master. Keep doing this at every forge possible and you will easily level up smithing. For those with less money, you may mine your own iron ore, but it is less effective, as it slows time.

Hunt animals for hides, process these into leather and leather strips at a tanning rack, then use the forge to craft leather bracers. Enchant bracers to level enchanting at the same time. Sell to level speech and make some gold."

Is this section really necessary? I mean, it's pretty obvious that you would level your smithing faster by getting items and crafting them into things. The only thing it really tells me is that Iron Daggers and Leather Bracers are some of the best possible options. But I don't see a Power Leveling section on Enchanting or Alchemy, let alone on any pages in Oblivion for those skills.

If anything I'd expect a page like this: http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Oblivion:Increasing_Skills to be started on instead of putting the leveling tips on each page as it makes it easier to find and leaves the skill pages for explaining the hard facts about the skills instead of suggestions and such [[Special:Contributions/76.115.250.108|76.115.250.108]] 12:15, 13 November 2011 (UTC)

It's not even that good of a method of power leveling your smithing. If you are willing to use a bit of alteration magic, get yourself transmute. Then upgrade all your iron ore into gold ore, and from there smelt that down to gold ingots that you then use in the forge to create gold rings. This way not only will you be working on your smithing, but your alteration too. You'll also net a profit in the end. Of course this method is a bit mana intensive, meaning that if you haven't upped your magic reserves at all, you'll only be able to cast transmute once before needing to let your pool recharge. Sort of annoying if you consider that you have to cast the smell 4 times to get enough gold ore for a single ingot. [[User:Syntic|Syntic]] 13:01, 13 November 2011 (UTC)

:I agree, so I removed it and added a section to the "Notes" about this method, because it is the fastest. [[User:Baron|Baron]] 01:47, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

== Rings vs Necklaces? ==

It says in the notes section that one ingot is used for necklaces and rings, but it doesn't say that you get two rings with one ingot. I just started the game so have only been able to make silver jewelry, but the value of the two rings added together is the same as the value of the necklace, so is this statement even true, let alone necessary? If someone who knows what they are doing could remove that statement, or edit it to reflect the truth, I'm afraid I don't know how... [[Special:Contributions/24.9.7.137|24.9.7.137]] 06:04, 15 November 2011 (UTC)
:That note needs to be removed, the one ingot for two rings is the same as the necklace. As well as the fact two rings is twice the objects you can enchant ;) [[Special:Contributions/75.150.195.86|75.150.195.86]] 15:04, 14 November 2011 (UTC)
::Not sure why neither of you removed it if you felt it should be removed, but I went ahead and got rid of it. [[User:Baron|Baron]] 17:04, 14 November 2011 (UTC)
:::Thanks Baron, when I tried to do it yesterday I couldn't get the edit screen to show me any text I could edit, when I looked again just now, it was all there. weird. [[Special:Contributions/24.9.7.137|24.9.7.137]] 06:04, 15 November 2011 (UTC)

== Any qualities beyond Legendary? ==

Have smithing maxed at 100 (like a BAWS)

Can smithing improvement gloves/etc. be used to create anything better than legendary?

:Legendary is the highest quality. [[User:Baron|Baron]] 12:14, 15 November 2011 (UTC)

you can continue to improve the att/def of items with plus smithing enchants and potions after 100.
Works on Armor Hand Neck and Ring. Active effects list ring x3 instead of each piece of gear. i only had one potion of 20% so dont know if more can be added or stronger potion. Glass Armor with +100% went to 90 Def. legomike
:My alchemy skill and perks have me making 71% potions. And there are stock potions for 50%+ in the game. [[Special:Contributions/24.156.216.144|24.156.216.144]] 14:14, 19 November 2011 (UTC)
::Smithing upgrades seem to have a cap somewhere around 230 skill, can anyone confirm exactly where? Or perhaps the values do not scale linearly? -[[Special:Contributions/91.153.22.204|91.153.22.204]] 18:17, 23 November 2011 (UTC)

== Effects for improving weapons? ==

I see someone added columns to the chart showing the amount of bonus given to torso armor and the other pieces. Does anyone have any data on the amount of bonus given to weapons? Is it different for daggers, maces, warhammers, bows, etc? --[[User:Quillan|Quillan]][[User talk:Quillan|Talk]] 18:14, 15 November 2011 (UTC)

== daedra hearts ==

Anyone find a somewhat steady supply for daedra hearts to craft daedric items?
other than ingrediant merchants that is. If there is some way to get them possibly put it in the notes section
JJ Lopez

:The Azura's Star quest line gives you 3-5 Daedra Hearts, as well as the ingredient vendors as you mentioned. [[User:Baron|Baron]] 08:01, 16 November 2011 (UTC)

:Enthir at the college of Winterhold sells two Daedra heart at a time and restocks about every two days. You can find him either in the courtyard of the college or in his room in the Hall of Attainment second level. - Simnos.
::Also at the College of Winterhold you can use the Atronach Forge down the midden to create them; if I remember what I read correctly it requires a black soul gem and a human heart. Of course, neither of those is exactly common so I don't know if it's worth doing. --[[User:Quillan|Quillan]][[User talk:Quillan|Talk]] 19:23, 19 November 2011 (UTC)

== Which branch to take ==

Should the note about going up the right side be edited? Yes the right side has stronger armor, however it is all heavy armor. For a light armor type person like myself, the left tree was a much better choice. Just a thought.

:There's no reason to use Light Armor over Heavy Armor. Once you get the Weightless perk for Heavy Armor it is better in every way than Light Armor, unfortunately. Also, as the note says, going up the right side gives you access to Daedric weapons, which at their base are better than Glass weapons. [[User:Baron|Baron]] 07:59, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
::I disagree with this statement, Baron. If you're a sneaky type (at least a GOOD sneaky type), you won't get hit enough to ever level your heavy armor skill to the necessary 70 to get the Weightless perk. Until then it'll make more noise than light and seriously impact your carrying capacity due to the increased weight. For a combat character I'd agree, heavy > light armor. --[[User:Quillan|Quillan]][[User talk:Quillan|Talk]] 15:49, 17 November 2011 (UTC)
::The Wind Walker perk is also quite usefull --Lex 23:20, 18 November 2011 (UTC+1)
:Isn't it also untrue that the right side is all Heavy Armor? The strongest Light Armor smithing is Dragon Smithing. [[Special:Contributions/81.233.217.129|81.233.217.129]] 08:26, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
::Dragon Smithing is both heavy armor and light armor. [[User:Baron|Baron]] 08:34, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
:::My personal belief is that the answer to the question "what is your character using?" is also the answer to which path to take, if you're only going to take one. However, I will say that the left path produces substandard weaponry in the long run. Glass weapons are good, but they just don't compare to ebony or daedric. I went the right path but also took elven smithing because elven weapons are slightly better than dwarven and quite a bit better than orcish.--[[User:Quillan|Quillan]][[User talk:Quillan|Talk]] 19:31, 19 November 2011 (UTC)

== Fortify Smithing ==

Does this effect increase the statistics of an item when you make it or does it just increase the improvements made at the grindstone and workbench? [[User:Olioster|Olioster]] 15:39, 17 November 2011 (UTC)
:I think it increases your effective skill. Another site has a chart for the improvements that goes well beyond 100 smithing skill, and shows higher improvements at higher skill levels. I have no idea how far it goes. However, I will say this much: when my first character reached 100 smithing, I made and improved an Ebony Mace for myself, since the damage for the ebony was the same as the daedric. I had a necklace that added 12% to smithing, but didn't use it then. Later, when I was making a Daedric War Axe, I had disenchanted that necklace, enchanted another as well as two pieces of leather armor to 8% each, and used all of those plus a smithing potion for the improvement. When I did, I discovered that I could improve the ebony mace yet again, to higher than it was before. There is definitely some category higher than 100 smithing. --[[User:Quillan|Quillan]][[User talk:Quillan|Talk]] 15:53, 17 November 2011 (UTC)
::Yes, even if the item is Legendary quality, it can still be improved upon, and there does not appear to be a cap on how far the improvement can go, so potions and enchantments that fortify smithing, perks and smithing skill can combine to make weapons and armor that have exorbitant stats. In theory, a character that perks heavily into crafting can make some of the highest rated weapons and armor possible, through fortified enchantments, fortified potions and max smithing perks and skill. There's also a cross-crafting exploit with enchanting and alchemy that could potentially push the smithing improvements beyond game breaking limits. [[Special:Contributions/24.156.216.144|24.156.216.144]] 14:10, 19 November 2011 (UTC)

To directly answer your question, it only affects improvements made at the grindstone/workbench. Items stats can also be increased with fortify smithing enchants/potions, though the name will remain legendary.

== Materials ==

It might be useful to provide a list of what crafting items correspond to which item types
i.e.
Leather to Hide Armour
Iron Ingot to Iron Armour
Steel Ingot to Steel Armour
Refined Malachite for Glass...
etc.

== Steel Smithing ==

I recently aquired the steel smithing perk and am unable to smith steel...does anyone else have this problem? How do I fix this? I have reached level 30 smithing.

[[Special:Contributions/216.167.237.76|216.167.237.76]] 01:09, 21 November 2011 (UTC)confused smith[[Special:Contributions/216.167.237.76|216.167.237.76]] 01:09, 21 November 2011 (UTC)
:At a guess, you either didn't confirm the selection of the perk (in which case you don't actually have it yet, I did that once, open your skills and see if you have any unspent perks) or you are lacking one or more materials to make it. If you have the perk, there should be a category at the forge interface named Steel. If you're lacking materials then the choices will be greyed out. --[[User:Quillan|Quillan]][[User talk:Quillan|Talk]] 16:30, 22 November 2011 (UTC)

== Legendary pt. 2/3/4/5/etc ==

Apparently (according to other wiki's and my personal experience), there are more than one tiers of Legendary. I have 100 smithing and the correct perks, and I was able to upgrade my legendary daedric sword to legendary (but two damage points higher) by wearing 20% boost smithing gauntlets... Somebody with the construction kit look into this. [[User:Stouf761|Stouf761]] 14:04, 21 November 2011 (UTC)
:Not out just yet, but yes there are tier(s) above basic Legendary. I've got two 12% smithing items and two 10% smithing items, which allow some nice improvement. Tossing a 40-50% potion on top of those allows still more improvement. I'm just not sure if the data table on the other wiki is correct. --[[User:Quillan|Quillan]][[User talk:Quillan|Talk]] 18:50, 21 November 2011 (UTC)
::That's true, look up some crazy smithing and enchanting videos - you can boost a Daedric dagger to 100 dmg or more. The limit is very high and you can boost smithing via potions and enchanting armor. --[[Special:Contributions/147.251.215.82|147.251.215.82]] 20:09, 21 November 2011 (UTC)
:::I'd don't believe it would be possible to boost a dagger's damage to 100. I've got 100 smithing and about 60% fortify smithing items, plus a 30% potion, and I could only get a glass SWORD to 40 damage.

== SIDES IN SMITHING ==

i was wondering, your choice is smithing (right-left), is permanent..?i mean if u choose heavy than u cant smith light and the opposite???
:If you start taking heavy armor smithing perks, they wont stop you from gaining light armor smithing perks later {{FC|purple|[[User:Andil the mage|Andil the mage]] 19:19, 23 November 2011 (UTC)}}
::You can get both...did it myself. It's not very wise to waste the perk points though, so I'd just pick one and stick with it. No respending perk points, so only if you're playing the PC version can you remove/add perks through the console.

== Random armor/weapon loot ==

Just curiosity on my part here: has anyone randomly found any pieces of daedric armor or weaponry aside from arrows? If so, how much and what level were you? My orc is level 44, and I haven't seen a single piece of daedric yet as random loot. I've found a few pieces of ebony armor and weapons in dungeons, and even once ran across a hostile NPC on a road (just called Breton) who was wearing ebony armor/boots/gauntlets, but no daedric thus far aside from what I made myself. Smithing has been well worth the investment to me just for this reason. --[[User:Quillan|Quillan]][[User talk:Quillan|Talk]] 22:18, 23 November 2011 (UTC)

I am hoping that you can find daedric weapons ingame at least. I didn't want to waste points going down to daedric just for weapons.

== Each type ==

Should we here add list of all thing that can be made in smith and what we need for it? From Iron to Dragon?
--[[User:Aleksa|Aleksa]] 21:36, 24 November 2011 (UTC)
It would be nice to have a crafting page that lists the materials required, their base value, and the final item's base value. But don't do it unless you can make it look good, in a table.

== Certain weapons can't be improved ==

I know at least two weapons that can't be improved via smithing, Skyforge Steel Dagger and Supple Ancient Nord Bow, I think the article should mention that as a bug. Also, does anyone know if there is a console command to "unlock" these items into making them improveable? :)

== Smithing Master Quest ==

I know there are some other master quests that open up when you reach 100 skill, like the one that gives you a new spell in destruction. Is there one for smithing, that gives you say, a new craftable item?

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== Create page ==
I saw that Elliot said we could create pages, but it still says that I'm not allowed. If it is only for Administraters or patrollers etc. I'm sorry. But if someone wants to create a pickpocketing page, I have a list of all the perks for it on my User page. Thanks. [[User:RIM|RIM]] 19:45, 25 September 2011 (UTC)

:It's on a blacklist at the moment. Elliot is on about removing it so it's just that anons can't create and edit (i think) and think under 'Skyrim'. It is only Admins at the moment though. --[[User:Kiz|Kiz]] ·•· [[User_Talk:Kiz|Talk]] ·•· [[Special:Contributions/Kiz|Contribs]] ·•· [[Special:EmailUser/Kiz|Mail]] ·•· 20:06, 25 September 2011 (UTC)

::Thanks:), I have the perk tree for pickpocketing too so if anybody needs it it can be copied and pasted from me. [[User:RIM|RIM]] 20:09, 25 September 2011 (UTC)

== Verifying the 'Custom items' statement ==

On the page, it claims that hides can be used to customize your items, and I'd like to know an official source for this before I start telling people about it. UESP is usually very professional, but seeing as how there is very little information about the game so far, and the source for this info isn't cited on the page, I'd like to know where the person who added it got this information from. {{unsigned|76.20.221.160|9 October 2011}}

:First, as the banner at the top of the article says, all information is preliminary and subject to change. The only way to be completely certain about any game facts is to wait until the game is released.
:The statement about using hides is a summary of several statements I've seen about how Smithing works. For example, [http://www.videogamer.com/xbox360/the_elder_scrolls_v_skyrim/preview-3152.html a Videogamer preview] says:
::"''Kill a wolf, for example, and you can skin him for his hide, which you can then take to a tannery and turn into leather to use as material to design leather-hilted axes and daggers.''"
:If you prefer hard-copy sources, the PC Gamer Skyrim article says, in reference to "an animal hide" found at a crafting station:
::"''... here you'd take leather and make leather strips... you'd then use leather strips to make your own swords and stuff like that.''"
:It also says:
::"''You could get other items from the tanning rack and combine them all to create weapons and armor''."
:--[[User:Nephele|Nephele]][[User_talk:Nephele|Talk]] 03:46, 12 October 2011 (UTC)

== Sword Sharpening ==

I understand weapons and armor do not degrade, but if you can sharpen your blades does that mean they become dull after a while of fighting, or does it just increase the damage one time depending on your skill level. Thanks.[[User:Apod|Apod]] 18:44, 2 November 2011 (UTC)
:No, they just stay at that level until you improve them further. Then when you're smithing skill improves, you can improve your weapons even more and they will never degrade below that new level and so on until your weapon is at the highest improved level possible.[[User:RIM|RIM]] 19:05, 2 November 2011 (UTC)
::In that case would the swords spawn with a set dullness/sharpness or start at a zero percent until your character brings it to the grind stone. [[User:Apod|Apod]] 21:04, 2 November 2011 (UTC)
:::Let's say you find a steel longsword that does 10 damage, it will be at 100% health and it will never degrade any further. Then you can sharpen it to 110% and now it will never degrade below 110% health and it will do more damage. Then you can sharpen it to 120%(if you are skilled enough) and then 130% and so on. Once you sharpen it, it will never degrade below it's new level so basically you permanently increase it's damage and health. I don't know if you can find weapons that have already been sharpened though.[[User:RIM|RIM]] 12:50, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
:::: Ah, yeah I understand now, it's similar to being an expert armorer in oblivion when you could raise the condition past 100%. Thank you for your help. One more week... [[User:Apod|Apod]] 20:44, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
:::::Except they've taken weapon condition out of the game entirely. Weapons and armor simply no longer have "condition". They have quality levels now instead. Item durability/health is not a part of this game. [[Special:Contributions/24.237.190.24|24.237.190.24]] 18:33, 16 November 2011 (UTC)

== Maces sharpenning? ==

I'm wondering, can we also upgrade maces and warhammers at a grindstone? It wouldn't really make sense but on the other hand it would mean that we can't upgrade these weapons. Or do we have to do it at a workbench?{{unsigned|77.84.51.169|18:36, 5 November 2011}}
:You can sharpen any weapon. Maces usually kill by causing a large impact to organs or other important areas such as blood vessels with effects such as internal bleeding but by sharpening it the mace might cause puncture wounds resulting in blood loss. Workbenches are for improving armour.[[User:RIM|RIM]] 20:52, 5 November 2011 (UTC)

:“Sharpening” a mace might be improving the flanges (i.e. the bit on the side that help to focuses the impact) or improving the weighting (again increasing how much damage it courses) rather than literally sharpening it.

:You can sharpen bows as well. :) --[[Special:Contributions/86.9.123.15|86.9.123.15]] 03:48, 20 November 2011 (UTC)

== There is only one rank of every perk. ==

None of them have two ranks. Not a single one. Why, when I try to change this, does someone change it back? Look at the images from all of the prerelease gameplay floating around. 1 rank of each Smithing perk. Whoever is keeping this charade of two ranks a piece is perpetuating a falsehood with malice aforethought. Stop it! [[Special:Contributions/97.103.109.193|97.103.109.193]] 02:49, 6 November 2011 (UTC)
:The only reliable sources that I've seen show two ranks for each perk. Although it's very possible that it's been changed since the beta version of the game, we'll have to wait for the game is actually released to confirm that. Any other information that you're seeing right now is from a pirated version of the game, which is not a reliable source. I'd rather perpetuate beta-version information than perpetuate illegal information.
:Also, I'm not sure what you mean by "Why, when I try to change this, does someone change it back?". The [http://www.uesp.net/w/index.php?title=Skyrim:Smithing&action=history edit history] of the page does not show any edit, ever, where the number of ranks was changed for any of the perks. Furthermore, none of the edits that you've made to any of the skill pages has been undone. --[[User:Nephele|Nephele]][[User_talk:Nephele|Talk]] 03:10, 6 November 2011 (UTC)
::1 as in O-N-E rank for all the smithing perks. {{uns|91.113.8.202|12:35, 6 November 2011}}
:::There are two ranks for them as for as official sources have shown. We are sticking with official sources for now. --[[User:Kiz|Kiz]] ·•· [[User_Talk:Kiz|Talk]] ·•· [[Special:Contributions/Kiz|Contribs]] ·•· [[Special:EmailUser/Kiz|Mail]] ·•· 12:54, 6 November 2011 (UTC)
::::It's one rank per perk according to all people that have had a "hands-on" game. If the official information says otherwise, then it is just bogus. The version that has been made available illegally is also the retail version, not a beta. {{uns|Loufoque|13:17, 6 November 2011}}
:::::My neighbor is a reviewer and has an official copy of the game for the Xbox. One rank per perk. [[Special:Contributions/174.109.111.197|174.109.111.197]] 18:44, 8 November 2011 (UTC)
{{od}}Well, we'll update it as soon as he posts a review with this information in it. Or, better yet, when the game is released this Friday. --[[User:Alpha Kenny Buddy|AKB]] [[User_talk:Alpha_Kenny_Buddy|Talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Alpha Kenny Buddy|Cont]] [[Special:Emailuser/Alpha Kenny Buddy|Mail]] 18:48, 8 November 2011 (UTC)
:::::Skyrim broke street date in Australia yesterday (final release). I confirm there is only one rank per smithing perk. Updated accordingly. Back to gaming... --[[User:Alienangel|Alienangel]] 11 November 2011
::"Illegal information." oO --[[Special:Contributions/188.109.121.159|188.109.121.159]] 22:52, 22 November 2011 (UTC)

== Power Leveling Section ==

"Power leveling Theory

Continually switch forges, buy out all iron ignots and leather strips, then produce as many iron daggers as possible and sell the daggers back to the forge master. Keep doing this at every forge possible and you will easily level up smithing. For those with less money, you may mine your own iron ore, but it is less effective, as it slows time.

Hunt animals for hides, process these into leather and leather strips at a tanning rack, then use the forge to craft leather bracers. Enchant bracers to level enchanting at the same time. Sell to level speech and make some gold."

Is this section really necessary? I mean, it's pretty obvious that you would level your smithing faster by getting items and crafting them into things. The only thing it really tells me is that Iron Daggers and Leather Bracers are some of the best possible options. But I don't see a Power Leveling section on Enchanting or Alchemy, let alone on any pages in Oblivion for those skills.

If anything I'd expect a page like this: http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Oblivion:Increasing_Skills to be started on instead of putting the leveling tips on each page as it makes it easier to find and leaves the skill pages for explaining the hard facts about the skills instead of suggestions and such [[Special:Contributions/76.115.250.108|76.115.250.108]] 12:15, 13 November 2011 (UTC)

It's not even that good of a method of power leveling your smithing. If you are willing to use a bit of alteration magic, get yourself transmute. Then upgrade all your iron ore into gold ore, and from there smelt that down to gold ingots that you then use in the forge to create gold rings. This way not only will you be working on your smithing, but your alteration too. You'll also net a profit in the end. Of course this method is a bit mana intensive, meaning that if you haven't upped your magic reserves at all, you'll only be able to cast transmute once before needing to let your pool recharge. Sort of annoying if you consider that you have to cast the smell 4 times to get enough gold ore for a single ingot. [[User:Syntic|Syntic]] 13:01, 13 November 2011 (UTC)

:I agree, so I removed it and added a section to the "Notes" about this method, because it is the fastest. [[User:Baron|Baron]] 01:47, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

== Rings vs Necklaces? ==

It says in the notes section that one ingot is used for necklaces and rings, but it doesn't say that you get two rings with one ingot. I just started the game so have only been able to make silver jewelry, but the value of the two rings added together is the same as the value of the necklace, so is this statement even true, let alone necessary? If someone who knows what they are doing could remove that statement, or edit it to reflect the truth, I'm afraid I don't know how... [[Special:Contributions/24.9.7.137|24.9.7.137]] 06:04, 15 November 2011 (UTC)
:That note needs to be removed, the one ingot for two rings is the same as the necklace. As well as the fact two rings is twice the objects you can enchant ;) [[Special:Contributions/75.150.195.86|75.150.195.86]] 15:04, 14 November 2011 (UTC)
::Not sure why neither of you removed it if you felt it should be removed, but I went ahead and got rid of it. [[User:Baron|Baron]] 17:04, 14 November 2011 (UTC)
:::Thanks Baron, when I tried to do it yesterday I couldn't get the edit screen to show me any text I could edit, when I looked again just now, it was all there. weird. [[Special:Contributions/24.9.7.137|24.9.7.137]] 06:04, 15 November 2011 (UTC)

== Any qualities beyond Legendary? ==

Have smithing maxed at 100 (like a BAWS)

Can smithing improvement gloves/etc. be used to create anything better than legendary?

:Legendary is the highest quality. [[User:Baron|Baron]] 12:14, 15 November 2011 (UTC)

you can continue to improve the att/def of items with plus smithing enchants and potions after 100.
Works on Armor Hand Neck and Ring. Active effects list ring x3 instead of each piece of gear. i only had one potion of 20% so dont know if more can be added or stronger potion. Glass Armor with +100% went to 90 Def. legomike
:My alchemy skill and perks have me making 71% potions. And there are stock potions for 50%+ in the game. [[Special:Contributions/24.156.216.144|24.156.216.144]] 14:14, 19 November 2011 (UTC)
::Smithing upgrades seem to have a cap somewhere around 230 skill, can anyone confirm exactly where? Or perhaps the values do not scale linearly? -[[Special:Contributions/91.153.22.204|91.153.22.204]] 18:17, 23 November 2011 (UTC)

== Effects for improving weapons? ==

I see someone added columns to the chart showing the amount of bonus given to torso armor and the other pieces. Does anyone have any data on the amount of bonus given to weapons? Is it different for daggers, maces, warhammers, bows, etc? --[[User:Quillan|Quillan]][[User talk:Quillan|Talk]] 18:14, 15 November 2011 (UTC)

== daedra hearts ==

Anyone find a somewhat steady supply for daedra hearts to craft daedric items?
other than ingrediant merchants that is. If there is some way to get them possibly put it in the notes section
JJ Lopez

:The Azura's Star quest line gives you 3-5 Daedra Hearts, as well as the ingredient vendors as you mentioned. [[User:Baron|Baron]] 08:01, 16 November 2011 (UTC)

:Enthir at the college of Winterhold sells two Daedra heart at a time and restocks about every two days. You can find him either in the courtyard of the college or in his room in the Hall of Attainment second level. - Simnos.
::Also at the College of Winterhold you can use the Atronach Forge down the midden to create them; if I remember what I read correctly it requires a black soul gem and a human heart. Of course, neither of those is exactly common so I don't know if it's worth doing. --[[User:Quillan|Quillan]][[User talk:Quillan|Talk]] 19:23, 19 November 2011 (UTC)

== Which branch to take ==

Should the note about going up the right side be edited? Yes the right side has stronger armor, however it is all heavy armor. For a light armor type person like myself, the left tree was a much better choice. Just a thought.

:There's no reason to use Light Armor over Heavy Armor. Once you get the Weightless perk for Heavy Armor it is better in every way than Light Armor, unfortunately. Also, as the note says, going up the right side gives you access to Daedric weapons, which at their base are better than Glass weapons. [[User:Baron|Baron]] 07:59, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
::I disagree with this statement, Baron. If you're a sneaky type (at least a GOOD sneaky type), you won't get hit enough to ever level your heavy armor skill to the necessary 70 to get the Weightless perk. Until then it'll make more noise than light and seriously impact your carrying capacity due to the increased weight. For a combat character I'd agree, heavy > light armor. --[[User:Quillan|Quillan]][[User talk:Quillan|Talk]] 15:49, 17 November 2011 (UTC)
::The Wind Walker perk is also quite usefull --Lex 23:20, 18 November 2011 (UTC+1)
:Isn't it also untrue that the right side is all Heavy Armor? The strongest Light Armor smithing is Dragon Smithing. [[Special:Contributions/81.233.217.129|81.233.217.129]] 08:26, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
::Dragon Smithing is both heavy armor and light armor. [[User:Baron|Baron]] 08:34, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
:::My personal belief is that the answer to the question "what is your character using?" is also the answer to which path to take, if you're only going to take one. However, I will say that the left path produces substandard weaponry in the long run. Glass weapons are good, but they just don't compare to ebony or daedric. I went the right path but also took elven smithing because elven weapons are slightly better than dwarven and quite a bit better than orcish.--[[User:Quillan|Quillan]][[User talk:Quillan|Talk]] 19:31, 19 November 2011 (UTC)

== Fortify Smithing ==

Does this effect increase the statistics of an item when you make it or does it just increase the improvements made at the grindstone and workbench? [[User:Olioster|Olioster]] 15:39, 17 November 2011 (UTC)
:I think it increases your effective skill. Another site has a chart for the improvements that goes well beyond 100 smithing skill, and shows higher improvements at higher skill levels. I have no idea how far it goes. However, I will say this much: when my first character reached 100 smithing, I made and improved an Ebony Mace for myself, since the damage for the ebony was the same as the daedric. I had a necklace that added 12% to smithing, but didn't use it then. Later, when I was making a Daedric War Axe, I had disenchanted that necklace, enchanted another as well as two pieces of leather armor to 8% each, and used all of those plus a smithing potion for the improvement. When I did, I discovered that I could improve the ebony mace yet again, to higher than it was before. There is definitely some category higher than 100 smithing. --[[User:Quillan|Quillan]][[User talk:Quillan|Talk]] 15:53, 17 November 2011 (UTC)
::Yes, even if the item is Legendary quality, it can still be improved upon, and there does not appear to be a cap on how far the improvement can go, so potions and enchantments that fortify smithing, perks and smithing skill can combine to make weapons and armor that have exorbitant stats. In theory, a character that perks heavily into crafting can make some of the highest rated weapons and armor possible, through fortified enchantments, fortified potions and max smithing perks and skill. There's also a cross-crafting exploit with enchanting and alchemy that could potentially push the smithing improvements beyond game breaking limits. [[Special:Contributions/24.156.216.144|24.156.216.144]] 14:10, 19 November 2011 (UTC)

To directly answer your question, it only affects improvements made at the grindstone/workbench. Items stats can also be increased with fortify smithing enchants/potions, though the name will remain legendary.

== Materials ==

It might be useful to provide a list of what crafting items correspond to which item types
i.e.
Leather to Hide Armour
Iron Ingot to Iron Armour
Steel Ingot to Steel Armour
Refined Malachite for Glass...
etc.

== Steel Smithing ==

I recently aquired the steel smithing perk and am unable to smith steel...does anyone else have this problem? How do I fix this? I have reached level 30 smithing.

[[Special:Contributions/216.167.237.76|216.167.237.76]] 01:09, 21 November 2011 (UTC)confused smith[[Special:Contributions/216.167.237.76|216.167.237.76]] 01:09, 21 November 2011 (UTC)
:At a guess, you either didn't confirm the selection of the perk (in which case you don't actually have it yet, I did that once, open your skills and see if you have any unspent perks) or you are lacking one or more materials to make it. If you have the perk, there should be a category at the forge interface named Steel. If you're lacking materials then the choices will be greyed out. --[[User:Quillan|Quillan]][[User talk:Quillan|Talk]] 16:30, 22 November 2011 (UTC)

== Legendary pt. 2/3/4/5/etc ==

Apparently (according to other wiki's and my personal experience), there are more than one tiers of Legendary. I have 100 smithing and the correct perks, and I was able to upgrade my legendary daedric sword to legendary (but two damage points higher) by wearing 20% boost smithing gauntlets... Somebody with the construction kit look into this. [[User:Stouf761|Stouf761]] 14:04, 21 November 2011 (UTC)
:Not out just yet, but yes there are tier(s) above basic Legendary. I've got two 12% smithing items and two 10% smithing items, which allow some nice improvement. Tossing a 40-50% potion on top of those allows still more improvement. I'm just not sure if the data table on the other wiki is correct. --[[User:Quillan|Quillan]][[User talk:Quillan|Talk]] 18:50, 21 November 2011 (UTC)
::That's true, look up some crazy smithing and enchanting videos - you can boost a Daedric dagger to 100 dmg or more. The limit is very high and you can boost smithing via potions and enchanting armor. --[[Special:Contributions/147.251.215.82|147.251.215.82]] 20:09, 21 November 2011 (UTC)
:::I'd don't believe it would be possible to boost a dagger's damage to 100. I've got 100 smithing and about 60% fortify smithing items, plus a 30% potion, and I could only get a glass SWORD to 40 damage.

== SIDES IN SMITHING ==

i was wondering, your choice is smithing (right-left), is permanent..?i mean if u choose heavy than u cant smith light and the opposite???
:If you start taking heavy armor smithing perks, they wont stop you from gaining light armor smithing perks later {{FC|purple|[[User:Andil the mage|Andil the mage]] 19:19, 23 November 2011 (UTC)}}
::You can get both...did it myself. It's not very wise to waste the perk points though, so I'd just pick one and stick with it. No respending perk points, so only if you're playing the PC version can you remove/add perks through the console.

== Random armor/weapon loot ==

Just curiosity on my part here: has anyone randomly found any pieces of daedric armor or weaponry aside from arrows? If so, how much and what level were you? My orc is level 44, and I haven't seen a single piece of daedric yet as random loot. I've found a few pieces of ebony armor and weapons in dungeons, and even once ran across a hostile NPC on a road (just called Breton) who was wearing ebony armor/boots/gauntlets, but no daedric thus far aside from what I made myself. Smithing has been well worth the investment to me just for this reason. --[[User:Quillan|Quillan]][[User talk:Quillan|Talk]] 22:18, 23 November 2011 (UTC)

I am hoping that you can find daedric weapons ingame at least. I didn't want to waste points going down to daedric just for weapons.

== Each type ==

Should we here add list of all thing that can be made in smith and what we need for it? From Iron to Dragon?
--[[User:Aleksa|Aleksa]] 21:36, 24 November 2011 (UTC)

== Certain weapons can't be improved ==

I know at least two weapons that can't be improved via smithing, Skyforge Steel Dagger and Supple Ancient Nord Bow, I think the article should mention that as a bug. Also, does anyone know if there is a console command to "unlock" these items into making them improveable? :)

Skyrim talk:Smithing

2011-11-25T02:36:23Z

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== Create page ==
I saw that Elliot said we could create pages, but it still says that I'm not allowed. If it is only for Administraters or patrollers etc. I'm sorry. But if someone wants to create a pickpocketing page, I have a list of all the perks for it on my User page. Thanks. [[User:RIM|RIM]] 19:45, 25 September 2011 (UTC)

:It's on a blacklist at the moment. Elliot is on about removing it so it's just that anons can't create and edit (i think) and think under 'Skyrim'. It is only Admins at the moment though. --[[User:Kiz|Kiz]] ·•· [[User_Talk:Kiz|Talk]] ·•· [[Special:Contributions/Kiz|Contribs]] ·•· [[Special:EmailUser/Kiz|Mail]] ·•· 20:06, 25 September 2011 (UTC)

::Thanks:), I have the perk tree for pickpocketing too so if anybody needs it it can be copied and pasted from me. [[User:RIM|RIM]] 20:09, 25 September 2011 (UTC)

== Verifying the 'Custom items' statement ==

On the page, it claims that hides can be used to customize your items, and I'd like to know an official source for this before I start telling people about it. UESP is usually very professional, but seeing as how there is very little information about the game so far, and the source for this info isn't cited on the page, I'd like to know where the person who added it got this information from. {{unsigned|76.20.221.160|9 October 2011}}

:First, as the banner at the top of the article says, all information is preliminary and subject to change. The only way to be completely certain about any game facts is to wait until the game is released.
:The statement about using hides is a summary of several statements I've seen about how Smithing works. For example, [http://www.videogamer.com/xbox360/the_elder_scrolls_v_skyrim/preview-3152.html a Videogamer preview] says:
::"''Kill a wolf, for example, and you can skin him for his hide, which you can then take to a tannery and turn into leather to use as material to design leather-hilted axes and daggers.''"
:If you prefer hard-copy sources, the PC Gamer Skyrim article says, in reference to "an animal hide" found at a crafting station:
::"''... here you'd take leather and make leather strips... you'd then use leather strips to make your own swords and stuff like that.''"
:It also says:
::"''You could get other items from the tanning rack and combine them all to create weapons and armor''."
:--[[User:Nephele|Nephele]][[User_talk:Nephele|Talk]] 03:46, 12 October 2011 (UTC)

== Sword Sharpening ==

I understand weapons and armor do not degrade, but if you can sharpen your blades does that mean they become dull after a while of fighting, or does it just increase the damage one time depending on your skill level. Thanks.[[User:Apod|Apod]] 18:44, 2 November 2011 (UTC)
:No, they just stay at that level until you improve them further. Then when you're smithing skill improves, you can improve your weapons even more and they will never degrade below that new level and so on until your weapon is at the highest improved level possible.[[User:RIM|RIM]] 19:05, 2 November 2011 (UTC)
::In that case would the swords spawn with a set dullness/sharpness or start at a zero percent until your character brings it to the grind stone. [[User:Apod|Apod]] 21:04, 2 November 2011 (UTC)
:::Let's say you find a steel longsword that does 10 damage, it will be at 100% health and it will never degrade any further. Then you can sharpen it to 110% and now it will never degrade below 110% health and it will do more damage. Then you can sharpen it to 120%(if you are skilled enough) and then 130% and so on. Once you sharpen it, it will never degrade below it's new level so basically you permanently increase it's damage and health. I don't know if you can find weapons that have already been sharpened though.[[User:RIM|RIM]] 12:50, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
:::: Ah, yeah I understand now, it's similar to being an expert armorer in oblivion when you could raise the condition past 100%. Thank you for your help. One more week... [[User:Apod|Apod]] 20:44, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
:::::Except they've taken weapon condition out of the game entirely. Weapons and armor simply no longer have "condition". They have quality levels now instead. Item durability/health is not a part of this game. [[Special:Contributions/24.237.190.24|24.237.190.24]] 18:33, 16 November 2011 (UTC)

== Maces sharpenning? ==

I'm wondering, can we also upgrade maces and warhammers at a grindstone? It wouldn't really make sense but on the other hand it would mean that we can't upgrade these weapons. Or do we have to do it at a workbench?{{unsigned|77.84.51.169|18:36, 5 November 2011}}
:You can sharpen any weapon. Maces usually kill by causing a large impact to organs or other important areas such as blood vessels with effects such as internal bleeding but by sharpening it the mace might cause puncture wounds resulting in blood loss. Workbenches are for improving armour.[[User:RIM|RIM]] 20:52, 5 November 2011 (UTC)

:“Sharpening” a mace might be improving the flanges (i.e. the bit on the side that help to focuses the impact) or improving the weighting (again increasing how much damage it courses) rather than literally sharpening it.

:You can sharpen bows as well. :) --[[Special:Contributions/86.9.123.15|86.9.123.15]] 03:48, 20 November 2011 (UTC)

== There is only one rank of every perk. ==

None of them have two ranks. Not a single one. Why, when I try to change this, does someone change it back? Look at the images from all of the prerelease gameplay floating around. 1 rank of each Smithing perk. Whoever is keeping this charade of two ranks a piece is perpetuating a falsehood with malice aforethought. Stop it! [[Special:Contributions/97.103.109.193|97.103.109.193]] 02:49, 6 November 2011 (UTC)
:The only reliable sources that I've seen show two ranks for each perk. Although it's very possible that it's been changed since the beta version of the game, we'll have to wait for the game is actually released to confirm that. Any other information that you're seeing right now is from a pirated version of the game, which is not a reliable source. I'd rather perpetuate beta-version information than perpetuate illegal information.
:Also, I'm not sure what you mean by "Why, when I try to change this, does someone change it back?". The [http://www.uesp.net/w/index.php?title=Skyrim:Smithing&action=history edit history] of the page does not show any edit, ever, where the number of ranks was changed for any of the perks. Furthermore, none of the edits that you've made to any of the skill pages has been undone. --[[User:Nephele|Nephele]][[User_talk:Nephele|Talk]] 03:10, 6 November 2011 (UTC)
::1 as in O-N-E rank for all the smithing perks. {{uns|91.113.8.202|12:35, 6 November 2011}}
:::There are two ranks for them as for as official sources have shown. We are sticking with official sources for now. --[[User:Kiz|Kiz]] ·•· [[User_Talk:Kiz|Talk]] ·•· [[Special:Contributions/Kiz|Contribs]] ·•· [[Special:EmailUser/Kiz|Mail]] ·•· 12:54, 6 November 2011 (UTC)
::::It's one rank per perk according to all people that have had a "hands-on" game. If the official information says otherwise, then it is just bogus. The version that has been made available illegally is also the retail version, not a beta. {{uns|Loufoque|13:17, 6 November 2011}}
:::::My neighbor is a reviewer and has an official copy of the game for the Xbox. One rank per perk. [[Special:Contributions/174.109.111.197|174.109.111.197]] 18:44, 8 November 2011 (UTC)
{{od}}Well, we'll update it as soon as he posts a review with this information in it. Or, better yet, when the game is released this Friday. --[[User:Alpha Kenny Buddy|AKB]] [[User_talk:Alpha_Kenny_Buddy|Talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Alpha Kenny Buddy|Cont]] [[Special:Emailuser/Alpha Kenny Buddy|Mail]] 18:48, 8 November 2011 (UTC)
:::::Skyrim broke street date in Australia yesterday (final release). I confirm there is only one rank per smithing perk. Updated accordingly. Back to gaming... --[[User:Alienangel|Alienangel]] 11 November 2011
::"Illegal information." oO --[[Special:Contributions/188.109.121.159|188.109.121.159]] 22:52, 22 November 2011 (UTC)

== Power Leveling Section ==

"Power leveling Theory

Continually switch forges, buy out all iron ignots and leather strips, then produce as many iron daggers as possible and sell the daggers back to the forge master. Keep doing this at every forge possible and you will easily level up smithing. For those with less money, you may mine your own iron ore, but it is less effective, as it slows time.

Hunt animals for hides, process these into leather and leather strips at a tanning rack, then use the forge to craft leather bracers. Enchant bracers to level enchanting at the same time. Sell to level speech and make some gold."

Is this section really necessary? I mean, it's pretty obvious that you would level your smithing faster by getting items and crafting them into things. The only thing it really tells me is that Iron Daggers and Leather Bracers are some of the best possible options. But I don't see a Power Leveling section on Enchanting or Alchemy, let alone on any pages in Oblivion for those skills.

If anything I'd expect a page like this: http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Oblivion:Increasing_Skills to be started on instead of putting the leveling tips on each page as it makes it easier to find and leaves the skill pages for explaining the hard facts about the skills instead of suggestions and such [[Special:Contributions/76.115.250.108|76.115.250.108]] 12:15, 13 November 2011 (UTC)

It's not even that good of a method of power leveling your smithing. If you are willing to use a bit of alteration magic, get yourself transmute. Then upgrade all your iron ore into gold ore, and from there smelt that down to gold ingots that you then use in the forge to create gold rings. This way not only will you be working on your smithing, but your alteration too. You'll also net a profit in the end. Of course this method is a bit mana intensive, meaning that if you haven't upped your magic reserves at all, you'll only be able to cast transmute once before needing to let your pool recharge. Sort of annoying if you consider that you have to cast the smell 4 times to get enough gold ore for a single ingot. [[User:Syntic|Syntic]] 13:01, 13 November 2011 (UTC)

:I agree, so I removed it and added a section to the "Notes" about this method, because it is the fastest. [[User:Baron|Baron]] 01:47, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

== Rings vs Necklaces? ==

It says in the notes section that one ingot is used for necklaces and rings, but it doesn't say that you get two rings with one ingot. I just started the game so have only been able to make silver jewelry, but the value of the two rings added together is the same as the value of the necklace, so is this statement even true, let alone necessary? If someone who knows what they are doing could remove that statement, or edit it to reflect the truth, I'm afraid I don't know how... [[Special:Contributions/24.9.7.137|24.9.7.137]] 06:04, 15 November 2011 (UTC)
:That note needs to be removed, the one ingot for two rings is the same as the necklace. As well as the fact two rings is twice the objects you can enchant ;) [[Special:Contributions/75.150.195.86|75.150.195.86]] 15:04, 14 November 2011 (UTC)
::Not sure why neither of you removed it if you felt it should be removed, but I went ahead and got rid of it. [[User:Baron|Baron]] 17:04, 14 November 2011 (UTC)
:::Thanks Baron, when I tried to do it yesterday I couldn't get the edit screen to show me any text I could edit, when I looked again just now, it was all there. weird. [[Special:Contributions/24.9.7.137|24.9.7.137]] 06:04, 15 November 2011 (UTC)

== Any qualities beyond Legendary? ==

Have smithing maxed at 100 (like a BAWS)

Can smithing improvement gloves/etc. be used to create anything better than legendary?

:Legendary is the highest quality. [[User:Baron|Baron]] 12:14, 15 November 2011 (UTC)

you can continue to improve the att/def of items with plus smithing enchants and potions after 100.
Works on Armor Hand Neck and Ring. Active effects list ring x3 instead of each piece of gear. i only had one potion of 20% so dont know if more can be added or stronger potion. Glass Armor with +100% went to 90 Def. legomike
:My alchemy skill and perks have me making 71% potions. And there are stock potions for 50%+ in the game. [[Special:Contributions/24.156.216.144|24.156.216.144]] 14:14, 19 November 2011 (UTC)
::Smithing upgrades seem to have a cap somewhere around 230 skill, can anyone confirm exactly where? Or perhaps the values do not scale linearly? -[[Special:Contributions/91.153.22.204|91.153.22.204]] 18:17, 23 November 2011 (UTC)

== Effects for improving weapons? ==

I see someone added columns to the chart showing the amount of bonus given to torso armor and the other pieces. Does anyone have any data on the amount of bonus given to weapons? Is it different for daggers, maces, warhammers, bows, etc? --[[User:Quillan|Quillan]][[User talk:Quillan|Talk]] 18:14, 15 November 2011 (UTC)

== daedra hearts ==

Anyone find a somewhat steady supply for daedra hearts to craft daedric items?
other than ingrediant merchants that is. If there is some way to get them possibly put it in the notes section
JJ Lopez

:The Azura's Star quest line gives you 3-5 Daedra Hearts, as well as the ingredient vendors as you mentioned. [[User:Baron|Baron]] 08:01, 16 November 2011 (UTC)

:Enthir at the college of Winterhold sells two Daedra heart at a time and restocks about every two days. You can find him either in the courtyard of the college or in his room in the Hall of Attainment second level. - Simnos.
::Also at the College of Winterhold you can use the Atronach Forge down the midden to create them; if I remember what I read correctly it requires a black soul gem and a human heart. Of course, neither of those is exactly common so I don't know if it's worth doing. --[[User:Quillan|Quillan]][[User talk:Quillan|Talk]] 19:23, 19 November 2011 (UTC)

== Which branch to take ==

Should the note about going up the right side be edited? Yes the right side has stronger armor, however it is all heavy armor. For a light armor type person like myself, the left tree was a much better choice. Just a thought.

:There's no reason to use Light Armor over Heavy Armor. Once you get the Weightless perk for Heavy Armor it is better in every way than Light Armor, unfortunately. Also, as the note says, going up the right side gives you access to Daedric weapons, which at their base are better than Glass weapons. [[User:Baron|Baron]] 07:59, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
::I disagree with this statement, Baron. If you're a sneaky type (at least a GOOD sneaky type), you won't get hit enough to ever level your heavy armor skill to the necessary 70 to get the Weightless perk. Until then it'll make more noise than light and seriously impact your carrying capacity due to the increased weight. For a combat character I'd agree, heavy > light armor. --[[User:Quillan|Quillan]][[User talk:Quillan|Talk]] 15:49, 17 November 2011 (UTC)
::The Wind Walker perk is also quite usefull --Lex 23:20, 18 November 2011 (UTC+1)
:Isn't it also untrue that the right side is all Heavy Armor? The strongest Light Armor smithing is Dragon Smithing. [[Special:Contributions/81.233.217.129|81.233.217.129]] 08:26, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
::Dragon Smithing is both heavy armor and light armor. [[User:Baron|Baron]] 08:34, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
:::My personal belief is that the answer to the question "what is your character using?" is also the answer to which path to take, if you're only going to take one. However, I will say that the left path produces substandard weaponry in the long run. Glass weapons are good, but they just don't compare to ebony or daedric. I went the right path but also took elven smithing because elven weapons are slightly better than dwarven and quite a bit better than orcish.--[[User:Quillan|Quillan]][[User talk:Quillan|Talk]] 19:31, 19 November 2011 (UTC)

== Fortify Smithing ==

Does this effect increase the statistics of an item when you make it or does it just increase the improvements made at the grindstone and workbench? [[User:Olioster|Olioster]] 15:39, 17 November 2011 (UTC)
:I think it increases your effective skill. Another site has a chart for the improvements that goes well beyond 100 smithing skill, and shows higher improvements at higher skill levels. I have no idea how far it goes. However, I will say this much: when my first character reached 100 smithing, I made and improved an Ebony Mace for myself, since the damage for the ebony was the same as the daedric. I had a necklace that added 12% to smithing, but didn't use it then. Later, when I was making a Daedric War Axe, I had disenchanted that necklace, enchanted another as well as two pieces of leather armor to 8% each, and used all of those plus a smithing potion for the improvement. When I did, I discovered that I could improve the ebony mace yet again, to higher than it was before. There is definitely some category higher than 100 smithing. --[[User:Quillan|Quillan]][[User talk:Quillan|Talk]] 15:53, 17 November 2011 (UTC)
::Yes, even if the item is Legendary quality, it can still be improved upon, and there does not appear to be a cap on how far the improvement can go, so potions and enchantments that fortify smithing, perks and smithing skill can combine to make weapons and armor that have exorbitant stats. In theory, a character that perks heavily into crafting can make some of the highest rated weapons and armor possible, through fortified enchantments, fortified potions and max smithing perks and skill. There's also a cross-crafting exploit with enchanting and alchemy that could potentially push the smithing improvements beyond game breaking limits. [[Special:Contributions/24.156.216.144|24.156.216.144]] 14:10, 19 November 2011 (UTC)

To directly answer your question, it only affects improvements made at the grindstone/workbench. Items stats can also be increased with fortify smithing enchants/potions, though the name will remain legendary.

== Materials ==

It might be useful to provide a list of what crafting items correspond to which item types
i.e.
Leather to Hide Armour
Iron Ingot to Iron Armour
Steel Ingot to Steel Armour
Refined Malachite for Glass...
etc.

== Steel Smithing ==

I recently aquired the steel smithing perk and am unable to smith steel...does anyone else have this problem? How do I fix this? I have reached level 30 smithing.

[[Special:Contributions/216.167.237.76|216.167.237.76]] 01:09, 21 November 2011 (UTC)confused smith[[Special:Contributions/216.167.237.76|216.167.237.76]] 01:09, 21 November 2011 (UTC)
:At a guess, you either didn't confirm the selection of the perk (in which case you don't actually have it yet, I did that once, open your skills and see if you have any unspent perks) or you are lacking one or more materials to make it. If you have the perk, there should be a category at the forge interface named Steel. If you're lacking materials then the choices will be greyed out. --[[User:Quillan|Quillan]][[User talk:Quillan|Talk]] 16:30, 22 November 2011 (UTC)

== Legendary pt. 2/3/4/5/etc ==

Apparently (according to other wiki's and my personal experience), there are more than one tiers of Legendary. I have 100 smithing and the correct perks, and I was able to upgrade my legendary daedric sword to legendary (but two damage points higher) by wearing 20% boost smithing gauntlets... Somebody with the construction kit look into this. [[User:Stouf761|Stouf761]] 14:04, 21 November 2011 (UTC)
:Not out just yet, but yes there are tier(s) above basic Legendary. I've got two 12% smithing items and two 10% smithing items, which allow some nice improvement. Tossing a 40-50% potion on top of those allows still more improvement. I'm just not sure if the data table on the other wiki is correct. --[[User:Quillan|Quillan]][[User talk:Quillan|Talk]] 18:50, 21 November 2011 (UTC)
::That's true, look up some crazy smithing and enchanting videos - you can boost a Daedric dagger to 100 dmg or more. The limit is very high and you can boost smithing via potions and enchanting armor. --[[Special:Contributions/147.251.215.82|147.251.215.82]] 20:09, 21 November 2011 (UTC)
:::I'd don't believe it would be possible to boost a dagger's damage to 100. I've got 100 smithing and about 60% fortify smithing items, plus a 30% potion, and I could only get a glass SWORD to 40 damage.

== SIDES IN SMITHING ==

i was wondering, your choice is smithing (right-left), is permanent..?i mean if u choose heavy than u cant smith light and the opposite???
:If you start taking heavy armor smithing perks, they wont stop you from gaining light armor smithing perks later {{FC|purple|[[User:Andil the mage|Andil the mage]] 19:19, 23 November 2011 (UTC)}}

== Random armor/weapon loot ==

Just curiosity on my part here: has anyone randomly found any pieces of daedric armor or weaponry aside from arrows? If so, how much and what level were you? My orc is level 44, and I haven't seen a single piece of daedric yet as random loot. I've found a few pieces of ebony armor and weapons in dungeons, and even once ran across a hostile NPC on a road (just called Breton) who was wearing ebony armor/boots/gauntlets, but no daedric thus far aside from what I made myself. Smithing has been well worth the investment to me just for this reason. --[[User:Quillan|Quillan]][[User talk:Quillan|Talk]] 22:18, 23 November 2011 (UTC)

I am hoping that you can find daedric weapons ingame at least. I didn't want to waste points going down to daedric just for weapons.

== Each type ==

Should we here add list of all thing that can be made in smith and what we need for it? From Iron to Dragon?
--[[User:Aleksa|Aleksa]] 21:36, 24 November 2011 (UTC)

== Certain weapons can't be improved ==

I know at least two weapons that can't be improved via smithing, Skyforge Steel Dagger and Supple Ancient Nord Bow, I think the article should mention that as a bug. Also, does anyone know if there is a console command to "unlock" these items into making them improveable? :)

Skyrim talk:Smithing

2011-11-25T02:34:42Z

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== Create page ==
I saw that Elliot said we could create pages, but it still says that I'm not allowed. If it is only for Administraters or patrollers etc. I'm sorry. But if someone wants to create a pickpocketing page, I have a list of all the perks for it on my User page. Thanks. [[User:RIM|RIM]] 19:45, 25 September 2011 (UTC)

:It's on a blacklist at the moment. Elliot is on about removing it so it's just that anons can't create and edit (i think) and think under 'Skyrim'. It is only Admins at the moment though. --[[User:Kiz|Kiz]] ·•· [[User_Talk:Kiz|Talk]] ·•· [[Special:Contributions/Kiz|Contribs]] ·•· [[Special:EmailUser/Kiz|Mail]] ·•· 20:06, 25 September 2011 (UTC)

::Thanks:), I have the perk tree for pickpocketing too so if anybody needs it it can be copied and pasted from me. [[User:RIM|RIM]] 20:09, 25 September 2011 (UTC)

== Verifying the 'Custom items' statement ==

On the page, it claims that hides can be used to customize your items, and I'd like to know an official source for this before I start telling people about it. UESP is usually very professional, but seeing as how there is very little information about the game so far, and the source for this info isn't cited on the page, I'd like to know where the person who added it got this information from. {{unsigned|76.20.221.160|9 October 2011}}

:First, as the banner at the top of the article says, all information is preliminary and subject to change. The only way to be completely certain about any game facts is to wait until the game is released.
:The statement about using hides is a summary of several statements I've seen about how Smithing works. For example, [http://www.videogamer.com/xbox360/the_elder_scrolls_v_skyrim/preview-3152.html a Videogamer preview] says:
::"''Kill a wolf, for example, and you can skin him for his hide, which you can then take to a tannery and turn into leather to use as material to design leather-hilted axes and daggers.''"
:If you prefer hard-copy sources, the PC Gamer Skyrim article says, in reference to "an animal hide" found at a crafting station:
::"''... here you'd take leather and make leather strips... you'd then use leather strips to make your own swords and stuff like that.''"
:It also says:
::"''You could get other items from the tanning rack and combine them all to create weapons and armor''."
:--[[User:Nephele|Nephele]][[User_talk:Nephele|Talk]] 03:46, 12 October 2011 (UTC)

== Sword Sharpening ==

I understand weapons and armor do not degrade, but if you can sharpen your blades does that mean they become dull after a while of fighting, or does it just increase the damage one time depending on your skill level. Thanks.[[User:Apod|Apod]] 18:44, 2 November 2011 (UTC)
:No, they just stay at that level until you improve them further. Then when you're smithing skill improves, you can improve your weapons even more and they will never degrade below that new level and so on until your weapon is at the highest improved level possible.[[User:RIM|RIM]] 19:05, 2 November 2011 (UTC)
::In that case would the swords spawn with a set dullness/sharpness or start at a zero percent until your character brings it to the grind stone. [[User:Apod|Apod]] 21:04, 2 November 2011 (UTC)
:::Let's say you find a steel longsword that does 10 damage, it will be at 100% health and it will never degrade any further. Then you can sharpen it to 110% and now it will never degrade below 110% health and it will do more damage. Then you can sharpen it to 120%(if you are skilled enough) and then 130% and so on. Once you sharpen it, it will never degrade below it's new level so basically you permanently increase it's damage and health. I don't know if you can find weapons that have already been sharpened though.[[User:RIM|RIM]] 12:50, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
:::: Ah, yeah I understand now, it's similar to being an expert armorer in oblivion when you could raise the condition past 100%. Thank you for your help. One more week... [[User:Apod|Apod]] 20:44, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
:::::Except they've taken weapon condition out of the game entirely. Weapons and armor simply no longer have "condition". They have quality levels now instead. Item durability/health is not a part of this game. [[Special:Contributions/24.237.190.24|24.237.190.24]] 18:33, 16 November 2011 (UTC)

== Maces sharpenning? ==

I'm wondering, can we also upgrade maces and warhammers at a grindstone? It wouldn't really make sense but on the other hand it would mean that we can't upgrade these weapons. Or do we have to do it at a workbench?{{unsigned|77.84.51.169|18:36, 5 November 2011}}
:You can sharpen any weapon. Maces usually kill by causing a large impact to organs or other important areas such as blood vessels with effects such as internal bleeding but by sharpening it the mace might cause puncture wounds resulting in blood loss. Workbenches are for improving armour.[[User:RIM|RIM]] 20:52, 5 November 2011 (UTC)

:“Sharpening” a mace might be improving the flanges (i.e. the bit on the side that help to focuses the impact) or improving the weighting (again increasing how much damage it courses) rather than literally sharpening it.

:You can sharpen bows as well. :) --[[Special:Contributions/86.9.123.15|86.9.123.15]] 03:48, 20 November 2011 (UTC)

== There is only one rank of every perk. ==

None of them have two ranks. Not a single one. Why, when I try to change this, does someone change it back? Look at the images from all of the prerelease gameplay floating around. 1 rank of each Smithing perk. Whoever is keeping this charade of two ranks a piece is perpetuating a falsehood with malice aforethought. Stop it! [[Special:Contributions/97.103.109.193|97.103.109.193]] 02:49, 6 November 2011 (UTC)
:The only reliable sources that I've seen show two ranks for each perk. Although it's very possible that it's been changed since the beta version of the game, we'll have to wait for the game is actually released to confirm that. Any other information that you're seeing right now is from a pirated version of the game, which is not a reliable source. I'd rather perpetuate beta-version information than perpetuate illegal information.
:Also, I'm not sure what you mean by "Why, when I try to change this, does someone change it back?". The [http://www.uesp.net/w/index.php?title=Skyrim:Smithing&action=history edit history] of the page does not show any edit, ever, where the number of ranks was changed for any of the perks. Furthermore, none of the edits that you've made to any of the skill pages has been undone. --[[User:Nephele|Nephele]][[User_talk:Nephele|Talk]] 03:10, 6 November 2011 (UTC)
::1 as in O-N-E rank for all the smithing perks. {{uns|91.113.8.202|12:35, 6 November 2011}}
:::There are two ranks for them as for as official sources have shown. We are sticking with official sources for now. --[[User:Kiz|Kiz]] ·•· [[User_Talk:Kiz|Talk]] ·•· [[Special:Contributions/Kiz|Contribs]] ·•· [[Special:EmailUser/Kiz|Mail]] ·•· 12:54, 6 November 2011 (UTC)
::::It's one rank per perk according to all people that have had a "hands-on" game. If the official information says otherwise, then it is just bogus. The version that has been made available illegally is also the retail version, not a beta. {{uns|Loufoque|13:17, 6 November 2011}}
:::::My neighbor is a reviewer and has an official copy of the game for the Xbox. One rank per perk. [[Special:Contributions/174.109.111.197|174.109.111.197]] 18:44, 8 November 2011 (UTC)
{{od}}Well, we'll update it as soon as he posts a review with this information in it. Or, better yet, when the game is released this Friday. --[[User:Alpha Kenny Buddy|AKB]] [[User_talk:Alpha_Kenny_Buddy|Talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Alpha Kenny Buddy|Cont]] [[Special:Emailuser/Alpha Kenny Buddy|Mail]] 18:48, 8 November 2011 (UTC)
:::::Skyrim broke street date in Australia yesterday (final release). I confirm there is only one rank per smithing perk. Updated accordingly. Back to gaming... --[[User:Alienangel|Alienangel]] 11 November 2011
::"Illegal information." oO --[[Special:Contributions/188.109.121.159|188.109.121.159]] 22:52, 22 November 2011 (UTC)

== Power Leveling Section ==

"Power leveling Theory

Continually switch forges, buy out all iron ignots and leather strips, then produce as many iron daggers as possible and sell the daggers back to the forge master. Keep doing this at every forge possible and you will easily level up smithing. For those with less money, you may mine your own iron ore, but it is less effective, as it slows time.

Hunt animals for hides, process these into leather and leather strips at a tanning rack, then use the forge to craft leather bracers. Enchant bracers to level enchanting at the same time. Sell to level speech and make some gold."

Is this section really necessary? I mean, it's pretty obvious that you would level your smithing faster by getting items and crafting them into things. The only thing it really tells me is that Iron Daggers and Leather Bracers are some of the best possible options. But I don't see a Power Leveling section on Enchanting or Alchemy, let alone on any pages in Oblivion for those skills.

If anything I'd expect a page like this: http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Oblivion:Increasing_Skills to be started on instead of putting the leveling tips on each page as it makes it easier to find and leaves the skill pages for explaining the hard facts about the skills instead of suggestions and such [[Special:Contributions/76.115.250.108|76.115.250.108]] 12:15, 13 November 2011 (UTC)

It's not even that good of a method of power leveling your smithing. If you are willing to use a bit of alteration magic, get yourself transmute. Then upgrade all your iron ore into gold ore, and from there smelt that down to gold ingots that you then use in the forge to create gold rings. This way not only will you be working on your smithing, but your alteration too. You'll also net a profit in the end. Of course this method is a bit mana intensive, meaning that if you haven't upped your magic reserves at all, you'll only be able to cast transmute once before needing to let your pool recharge. Sort of annoying if you consider that you have to cast the smell 4 times to get enough gold ore for a single ingot. [[User:Syntic|Syntic]] 13:01, 13 November 2011 (UTC)

:I agree, so I removed it and added a section to the "Notes" about this method, because it is the fastest. [[User:Baron|Baron]] 01:47, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

== Rings vs Necklaces? ==

It says in the notes section that one ingot is used for necklaces and rings, but it doesn't say that you get two rings with one ingot. I just started the game so have only been able to make silver jewelry, but the value of the two rings added together is the same as the value of the necklace, so is this statement even true, let alone necessary? If someone who knows what they are doing could remove that statement, or edit it to reflect the truth, I'm afraid I don't know how... [[Special:Contributions/24.9.7.137|24.9.7.137]] 06:04, 15 November 2011 (UTC)
:That note needs to be removed, the one ingot for two rings is the same as the necklace. As well as the fact two rings is twice the objects you can enchant ;) [[Special:Contributions/75.150.195.86|75.150.195.86]] 15:04, 14 November 2011 (UTC)
::Not sure why neither of you removed it if you felt it should be removed, but I went ahead and got rid of it. [[User:Baron|Baron]] 17:04, 14 November 2011 (UTC)
:::Thanks Baron, when I tried to do it yesterday I couldn't get the edit screen to show me any text I could edit, when I looked again just now, it was all there. weird. [[Special:Contributions/24.9.7.137|24.9.7.137]] 06:04, 15 November 2011 (UTC)

== Any qualities beyond Legendary? ==

Have smithing maxed at 100 (like a BAWS)

Can smithing improvement gloves/etc. be used to create anything better than legendary?

:Legendary is the highest quality. [[User:Baron|Baron]] 12:14, 15 November 2011 (UTC)

you can continue to improve the att/def of items with plus smithing enchants and potions after 100.
Works on Armor Hand Neck and Ring. Active effects list ring x3 instead of each piece of gear. i only had one potion of 20% so dont know if more can be added or stronger potion. Glass Armor with +100% went to 90 Def. legomike
:My alchemy skill and perks have me making 71% potions. And there are stock potions for 50%+ in the game. [[Special:Contributions/24.156.216.144|24.156.216.144]] 14:14, 19 November 2011 (UTC)
::Smithing upgrades seem to have a cap somewhere around 230 skill, can anyone confirm exactly where? Or perhaps the values do not scale linearly? -[[Special:Contributions/91.153.22.204|91.153.22.204]] 18:17, 23 November 2011 (UTC)

== Effects for improving weapons? ==

I see someone added columns to the chart showing the amount of bonus given to torso armor and the other pieces. Does anyone have any data on the amount of bonus given to weapons? Is it different for daggers, maces, warhammers, bows, etc? --[[User:Quillan|Quillan]][[User talk:Quillan|Talk]] 18:14, 15 November 2011 (UTC)

== daedra hearts ==

Anyone find a somewhat steady supply for daedra hearts to craft daedric items?
other than ingrediant merchants that is. If there is some way to get them possibly put it in the notes section
JJ Lopez

:The Azura's Star quest line gives you 3-5 Daedra Hearts, as well as the ingredient vendors as you mentioned. [[User:Baron|Baron]] 08:01, 16 November 2011 (UTC)

:Enthir at the college of Winterhold sells two Daedra heart at a time and restocks about every two days. You can find him either in the courtyard of the college or in his room in the Hall of Attainment second level. - Simnos.
::Also at the College of Winterhold you can use the Atronach Forge down the midden to create them; if I remember what I read correctly it requires a black soul gem and a human heart. Of course, neither of those is exactly common so I don't know if it's worth doing. --[[User:Quillan|Quillan]][[User talk:Quillan|Talk]] 19:23, 19 November 2011 (UTC)

== Which branch to take ==

Should the note about going up the right side be edited? Yes the right side has stronger armor, however it is all heavy armor. For a light armor type person like myself, the left tree was a much better choice. Just a thought.

:There's no reason to use Light Armor over Heavy Armor. Once you get the Weightless perk for Heavy Armor it is better in every way than Light Armor, unfortunately. Also, as the note says, going up the right side gives you access to Daedric weapons, which at their base are better than Glass weapons. [[User:Baron|Baron]] 07:59, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
::I disagree with this statement, Baron. If you're a sneaky type (at least a GOOD sneaky type), you won't get hit enough to ever level your heavy armor skill to the necessary 70 to get the Weightless perk. Until then it'll make more noise than light and seriously impact your carrying capacity due to the increased weight. For a combat character I'd agree, heavy > light armor. --[[User:Quillan|Quillan]][[User talk:Quillan|Talk]] 15:49, 17 November 2011 (UTC)
::The Wind Walker perk is also quite usefull --Lex 23:20, 18 November 2011 (UTC+1)
:Isn't it also untrue that the right side is all Heavy Armor? The strongest Light Armor smithing is Dragon Smithing. [[Special:Contributions/81.233.217.129|81.233.217.129]] 08:26, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
::Dragon Smithing is both heavy armor and light armor. [[User:Baron|Baron]] 08:34, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
:::My personal belief is that the answer to the question "what is your character using?" is also the answer to which path to take, if you're only going to take one. However, I will say that the left path produces substandard weaponry in the long run. Glass weapons are good, but they just don't compare to ebony or daedric. I went the right path but also took elven smithing because elven weapons are slightly better than dwarven and quite a bit better than orcish.--[[User:Quillan|Quillan]][[User talk:Quillan|Talk]] 19:31, 19 November 2011 (UTC)

== Fortify Smithing ==

Does this effect increase the statistics of an item when you make it or does it just increase the improvements made at the grindstone and workbench? [[User:Olioster|Olioster]] 15:39, 17 November 2011 (UTC)
:I think it increases your effective skill. Another site has a chart for the improvements that goes well beyond 100 smithing skill, and shows higher improvements at higher skill levels. I have no idea how far it goes. However, I will say this much: when my first character reached 100 smithing, I made and improved an Ebony Mace for myself, since the damage for the ebony was the same as the daedric. I had a necklace that added 12% to smithing, but didn't use it then. Later, when I was making a Daedric War Axe, I had disenchanted that necklace, enchanted another as well as two pieces of leather armor to 8% each, and used all of those plus a smithing potion for the improvement. When I did, I discovered that I could improve the ebony mace yet again, to higher than it was before. There is definitely some category higher than 100 smithing. --[[User:Quillan|Quillan]][[User talk:Quillan|Talk]] 15:53, 17 November 2011 (UTC)
::Yes, even if the item is Legendary quality, it can still be improved upon, and there does not appear to be a cap on how far the improvement can go, so potions and enchantments that fortify smithing, perks and smithing skill can combine to make weapons and armor that have exorbitant stats. In theory, a character that perks heavily into crafting can make some of the highest rated weapons and armor possible, through fortified enchantments, fortified potions and max smithing perks and skill. There's also a cross-crafting exploit with enchanting and alchemy that could potentially push the smithing improvements beyond game breaking limits. [[Special:Contributions/24.156.216.144|24.156.216.144]] 14:10, 19 November 2011 (UTC)

To directly answer your question, it only affects improvements made at the grindstone/workbench. Items stats can also be increased with fortify smithing enchants/potions, though the name will remain legendary.

== Materials ==

It might be useful to provide a list of what crafting items correspond to which item types
i.e.
Leather to Hide Armour
Iron Ingot to Iron Armour
Steel Ingot to Steel Armour
Refined Malachite for Glass...
etc.

== Steel Smithing ==

I recently aquired the steel smithing perk and am unable to smith steel...does anyone else have this problem? How do I fix this? I have reached level 30 smithing.

[[Special:Contributions/216.167.237.76|216.167.237.76]] 01:09, 21 November 2011 (UTC)confused smith[[Special:Contributions/216.167.237.76|216.167.237.76]] 01:09, 21 November 2011 (UTC)
:At a guess, you either didn't confirm the selection of the perk (in which case you don't actually have it yet, I did that once, open your skills and see if you have any unspent perks) or you are lacking one or more materials to make it. If you have the perk, there should be a category at the forge interface named Steel. If you're lacking materials then the choices will be greyed out. --[[User:Quillan|Quillan]][[User talk:Quillan|Talk]] 16:30, 22 November 2011 (UTC)

== Legendary pt. 2/3/4/5/etc ==

Apparently (according to other wiki's and my personal experience), there are more than one tiers of Legendary. I have 100 smithing and the correct perks, and I was able to upgrade my legendary daedric sword to legendary (but two damage points higher) by wearing 20% boost smithing gauntlets... Somebody with the construction kit look into this. [[User:Stouf761|Stouf761]] 14:04, 21 November 2011 (UTC)
:Not out just yet, but yes there are tier(s) above basic Legendary. I've got two 12% smithing items and two 10% smithing items, which allow some nice improvement. Tossing a 40-50% potion on top of those allows still more improvement. I'm just not sure if the data table on the other wiki is correct. --[[User:Quillan|Quillan]][[User talk:Quillan|Talk]] 18:50, 21 November 2011 (UTC)
::That's true, look up some crazy smithing and enchanting videos - you can boost a Daedric dagger to 100 dmg or more. The limit is very high and you can boost smithing via potions and enchanting armor. --[[Special:Contributions/147.251.215.82|147.251.215.82]] 20:09, 21 November 2011 (UTC)
:::I'd don't believe it would be possible to boost a dagger's damage to 100. I've got 100 smithing and about 60% fortify smithing items, plus a 30% potion, and I could only get a glass SWORD to 40 damage.

== SIDES IN SMITHING ==

i was wondering, your choice is smithing (right-left), is permanent..?i mean if u choose heavy than u cant smith light and the opposite???
:If you start taking heavy armor smithing perks, they wont stop you from gaining light armor smithing perks later {{FC|purple|[[User:Andil the mage|Andil the mage]] 19:19, 23 November 2011 (UTC)}}

== Random armor/weapon loot ==

Just curiosity on my part here: has anyone randomly found any pieces of daedric armor or weaponry aside from arrows? If so, how much and what level were you? My orc is level 44, and I haven't seen a single piece of daedric yet as random loot. I've found a few pieces of ebony armor and weapons in dungeons, and even once ran across a hostile NPC on a road (just called Breton) who was wearing ebony armor/boots/gauntlets, but no daedric thus far aside from what I made myself. Smithing has been well worth the investment to me just for this reason. --[[User:Quillan|Quillan]][[User talk:Quillan|Talk]] 22:18, 23 November 2011 (UTC)

== Each type ==

Should we here add list of all thing that can be made in smith and what we need for it? From Iron to Dragon?
--[[User:Aleksa|Aleksa]] 21:36, 24 November 2011 (UTC)

== Certain weapons can't be improved ==

I know at least two weapons that can't be improved via smithing, Skyforge Steel Dagger and Supple Ancient Nord Bow, I think the article should mention that as a bug. Also, does anyone know if there is a console command to "unlock" these items into making them improveable? :)

Skyrim talk:Smithing

2011-11-25T02:30:17Z

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== Create page ==
I saw that Elliot said we could create pages, but it still says that I'm not allowed. If it is only for Administraters or patrollers etc. I'm sorry. But if someone wants to create a pickpocketing page, I have a list of all the perks for it on my User page. Thanks. [[User:RIM|RIM]] 19:45, 25 September 2011 (UTC)

:It's on a blacklist at the moment. Elliot is on about removing it so it's just that anons can't create and edit (i think) and think under 'Skyrim'. It is only Admins at the moment though. --[[User:Kiz|Kiz]] ·•· [[User_Talk:Kiz|Talk]] ·•· [[Special:Contributions/Kiz|Contribs]] ·•· [[Special:EmailUser/Kiz|Mail]] ·•· 20:06, 25 September 2011 (UTC)

::Thanks:), I have the perk tree for pickpocketing too so if anybody needs it it can be copied and pasted from me. [[User:RIM|RIM]] 20:09, 25 September 2011 (UTC)

== Verifying the 'Custom items' statement ==

On the page, it claims that hides can be used to customize your items, and I'd like to know an official source for this before I start telling people about it. UESP is usually very professional, but seeing as how there is very little information about the game so far, and the source for this info isn't cited on the page, I'd like to know where the person who added it got this information from. {{unsigned|76.20.221.160|9 October 2011}}

:First, as the banner at the top of the article says, all information is preliminary and subject to change. The only way to be completely certain about any game facts is to wait until the game is released.
:The statement about using hides is a summary of several statements I've seen about how Smithing works. For example, [http://www.videogamer.com/xbox360/the_elder_scrolls_v_skyrim/preview-3152.html a Videogamer preview] says:
::"''Kill a wolf, for example, and you can skin him for his hide, which you can then take to a tannery and turn into leather to use as material to design leather-hilted axes and daggers.''"
:If you prefer hard-copy sources, the PC Gamer Skyrim article says, in reference to "an animal hide" found at a crafting station:
::"''... here you'd take leather and make leather strips... you'd then use leather strips to make your own swords and stuff like that.''"
:It also says:
::"''You could get other items from the tanning rack and combine them all to create weapons and armor''."
:--[[User:Nephele|Nephele]][[User_talk:Nephele|Talk]] 03:46, 12 October 2011 (UTC)

== Sword Sharpening ==

I understand weapons and armor do not degrade, but if you can sharpen your blades does that mean they become dull after a while of fighting, or does it just increase the damage one time depending on your skill level. Thanks.[[User:Apod|Apod]] 18:44, 2 November 2011 (UTC)
:No, they just stay at that level until you improve them further. Then when you're smithing skill improves, you can improve your weapons even more and they will never degrade below that new level and so on until your weapon is at the highest improved level possible.[[User:RIM|RIM]] 19:05, 2 November 2011 (UTC)
::In that case would the swords spawn with a set dullness/sharpness or start at a zero percent until your character brings it to the grind stone. [[User:Apod|Apod]] 21:04, 2 November 2011 (UTC)
:::Let's say you find a steel longsword that does 10 damage, it will be at 100% health and it will never degrade any further. Then you can sharpen it to 110% and now it will never degrade below 110% health and it will do more damage. Then you can sharpen it to 120%(if you are skilled enough) and then 130% and so on. Once you sharpen it, it will never degrade below it's new level so basically you permanently increase it's damage and health. I don't know if you can find weapons that have already been sharpened though.[[User:RIM|RIM]] 12:50, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
:::: Ah, yeah I understand now, it's similar to being an expert armorer in oblivion when you could raise the condition past 100%. Thank you for your help. One more week... [[User:Apod|Apod]] 20:44, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
:::::Except they've taken weapon condition out of the game entirely. Weapons and armor simply no longer have "condition". They have quality levels now instead. Item durability/health is not a part of this game. [[Special:Contributions/24.237.190.24|24.237.190.24]] 18:33, 16 November 2011 (UTC)

== Maces sharpenning? ==

I'm wondering, can we also upgrade maces and warhammers at a grindstone? It wouldn't really make sense but on the other hand it would mean that we can't upgrade these weapons. Or do we have to do it at a workbench?{{unsigned|77.84.51.169|18:36, 5 November 2011}}
:You can sharpen any weapon. Maces usually kill by causing a large impact to organs or other important areas such as blood vessels with effects such as internal bleeding but by sharpening it the mace might cause puncture wounds resulting in blood loss. Workbenches are for improving armour.[[User:RIM|RIM]] 20:52, 5 November 2011 (UTC)

:“Sharpening” a mace might be improving the flanges (i.e. the bit on the side that help to focuses the impact) or improving the weighting (again increasing how much damage it courses) rather than literally sharpening it.

:You can sharpen bows as well. :) --[[Special:Contributions/86.9.123.15|86.9.123.15]] 03:48, 20 November 2011 (UTC)

== There is only one rank of every perk. ==

None of them have two ranks. Not a single one. Why, when I try to change this, does someone change it back? Look at the images from all of the prerelease gameplay floating around. 1 rank of each Smithing perk. Whoever is keeping this charade of two ranks a piece is perpetuating a falsehood with malice aforethought. Stop it! [[Special:Contributions/97.103.109.193|97.103.109.193]] 02:49, 6 November 2011 (UTC)
:The only reliable sources that I've seen show two ranks for each perk. Although it's very possible that it's been changed since the beta version of the game, we'll have to wait for the game is actually released to confirm that. Any other information that you're seeing right now is from a pirated version of the game, which is not a reliable source. I'd rather perpetuate beta-version information than perpetuate illegal information.
:Also, I'm not sure what you mean by "Why, when I try to change this, does someone change it back?". The [http://www.uesp.net/w/index.php?title=Skyrim:Smithing&action=history edit history] of the page does not show any edit, ever, where the number of ranks was changed for any of the perks. Furthermore, none of the edits that you've made to any of the skill pages has been undone. --[[User:Nephele|Nephele]][[User_talk:Nephele|Talk]] 03:10, 6 November 2011 (UTC)
::1 as in O-N-E rank for all the smithing perks. {{uns|91.113.8.202|12:35, 6 November 2011}}
:::There are two ranks for them as for as official sources have shown. We are sticking with official sources for now. --[[User:Kiz|Kiz]] ·•· [[User_Talk:Kiz|Talk]] ·•· [[Special:Contributions/Kiz|Contribs]] ·•· [[Special:EmailUser/Kiz|Mail]] ·•· 12:54, 6 November 2011 (UTC)
::::It's one rank per perk according to all people that have had a "hands-on" game. If the official information says otherwise, then it is just bogus. The version that has been made available illegally is also the retail version, not a beta. {{uns|Loufoque|13:17, 6 November 2011}}
:::::My neighbor is a reviewer and has an official copy of the game for the Xbox. One rank per perk. [[Special:Contributions/174.109.111.197|174.109.111.197]] 18:44, 8 November 2011 (UTC)
{{od}}Well, we'll update it as soon as he posts a review with this information in it. Or, better yet, when the game is released this Friday. --[[User:Alpha Kenny Buddy|AKB]] [[User_talk:Alpha_Kenny_Buddy|Talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Alpha Kenny Buddy|Cont]] [[Special:Emailuser/Alpha Kenny Buddy|Mail]] 18:48, 8 November 2011 (UTC)
:::::Skyrim broke street date in Australia yesterday (final release). I confirm there is only one rank per smithing perk. Updated accordingly. Back to gaming... --[[User:Alienangel|Alienangel]] 11 November 2011
::"Illegal information." oO --[[Special:Contributions/188.109.121.159|188.109.121.159]] 22:52, 22 November 2011 (UTC)

== Power Leveling Section ==

"Power leveling Theory

Continually switch forges, buy out all iron ignots and leather strips, then produce as many iron daggers as possible and sell the daggers back to the forge master. Keep doing this at every forge possible and you will easily level up smithing. For those with less money, you may mine your own iron ore, but it is less effective, as it slows time.

Hunt animals for hides, process these into leather and leather strips at a tanning rack, then use the forge to craft leather bracers. Enchant bracers to level enchanting at the same time. Sell to level speech and make some gold."

Is this section really necessary? I mean, it's pretty obvious that you would level your smithing faster by getting items and crafting them into things. The only thing it really tells me is that Iron Daggers and Leather Bracers are some of the best possible options. But I don't see a Power Leveling section on Enchanting or Alchemy, let alone on any pages in Oblivion for those skills.

If anything I'd expect a page like this: http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Oblivion:Increasing_Skills to be started on instead of putting the leveling tips on each page as it makes it easier to find and leaves the skill pages for explaining the hard facts about the skills instead of suggestions and such [[Special:Contributions/76.115.250.108|76.115.250.108]] 12:15, 13 November 2011 (UTC)

It's not even that good of a method of power leveling your smithing. If you are willing to use a bit of alteration magic, get yourself transmute. Then upgrade all your iron ore into gold ore, and from there smelt that down to gold ingots that you then use in the forge to create gold rings. This way not only will you be working on your smithing, but your alteration too. You'll also net a profit in the end. Of course this method is a bit mana intensive, meaning that if you haven't upped your magic reserves at all, you'll only be able to cast transmute once before needing to let your pool recharge. Sort of annoying if you consider that you have to cast the smell 4 times to get enough gold ore for a single ingot. [[User:Syntic|Syntic]] 13:01, 13 November 2011 (UTC)

:I agree, so I removed it and added a section to the "Notes" about this method, because it is the fastest. [[User:Baron|Baron]] 01:47, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

== Rings vs Necklaces? ==

It says in the notes section that one ingot is used for necklaces and rings, but it doesn't say that you get two rings with one ingot. I just started the game so have only been able to make silver jewelry, but the value of the two rings added together is the same as the value of the necklace, so is this statement even true, let alone necessary? If someone who knows what they are doing could remove that statement, or edit it to reflect the truth, I'm afraid I don't know how... [[Special:Contributions/24.9.7.137|24.9.7.137]] 06:04, 15 November 2011 (UTC)
:That note needs to be removed, the one ingot for two rings is the same as the necklace. As well as the fact two rings is twice the objects you can enchant ;) [[Special:Contributions/75.150.195.86|75.150.195.86]] 15:04, 14 November 2011 (UTC)
::Not sure why neither of you removed it if you felt it should be removed, but I went ahead and got rid of it. [[User:Baron|Baron]] 17:04, 14 November 2011 (UTC)
:::Thanks Baron, when I tried to do it yesterday I couldn't get the edit screen to show me any text I could edit, when I looked again just now, it was all there. weird. [[Special:Contributions/24.9.7.137|24.9.7.137]] 06:04, 15 November 2011 (UTC)

== Any qualities beyond Legendary? ==

Have smithing maxed at 100 (like a BAWS)

Can smithing improvement gloves/etc. be used to create anything better than legendary?

:Legendary is the highest quality. [[User:Baron|Baron]] 12:14, 15 November 2011 (UTC)

you can continue to improve the att/def of items with plus smithing enchants and potions after 100.
Works on Armor Hand Neck and Ring. Active effects list ring x3 instead of each piece of gear. i only had one potion of 20% so dont know if more can be added or stronger potion. Glass Armor with +100% went to 90 Def. legomike
:My alchemy skill and perks have me making 71% potions. And there are stock potions for 50%+ in the game. [[Special:Contributions/24.156.216.144|24.156.216.144]] 14:14, 19 November 2011 (UTC)
::Smithing upgrades seem to have a cap somewhere around 230 skill, can anyone confirm exactly where? Or perhaps the values do not scale linearly? -[[Special:Contributions/91.153.22.204|91.153.22.204]] 18:17, 23 November 2011 (UTC)

== Effects for improving weapons? ==

I see someone added columns to the chart showing the amount of bonus given to torso armor and the other pieces. Does anyone have any data on the amount of bonus given to weapons? Is it different for daggers, maces, warhammers, bows, etc? --[[User:Quillan|Quillan]][[User talk:Quillan|Talk]] 18:14, 15 November 2011 (UTC)

== daedra hearts ==

Anyone find a somewhat steady supply for daedra hearts to craft daedric items?
other than ingrediant merchants that is. If there is some way to get them possibly put it in the notes section
JJ Lopez

:The Azura's Star quest line gives you 3-5 Daedra Hearts, as well as the ingredient vendors as you mentioned. [[User:Baron|Baron]] 08:01, 16 November 2011 (UTC)

:Enthir at the college of Winterhold sells two Daedra heart at a time and restocks about every two days. You can find him either in the courtyard of the college or in his room in the Hall of Attainment second level. - Simnos.
::Also at the College of Winterhold you can use the Atronach Forge down the midden to create them; if I remember what I read correctly it requires a black soul gem and a human heart. Of course, neither of those is exactly common so I don't know if it's worth doing. --[[User:Quillan|Quillan]][[User talk:Quillan|Talk]] 19:23, 19 November 2011 (UTC)

== Which branch to take ==

Should the note about going up the right side be edited? Yes the right side has stronger armor, however it is all heavy armor. For a light armor type person like myself, the left tree was a much better choice. Just a thought.

:There's no reason to use Light Armor over Heavy Armor. Once you get the Weightless perk for Heavy Armor it is better in every way than Light Armor, unfortunately. Also, as the note says, going up the right side gives you access to Daedric weapons, which at their base are better than Glass weapons. [[User:Baron|Baron]] 07:59, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
::I disagree with this statement, Baron. If you're a sneaky type (at least a GOOD sneaky type), you won't get hit enough to ever level your heavy armor skill to the necessary 70 to get the Weightless perk. Until then it'll make more noise than light and seriously impact your carrying capacity due to the increased weight. For a combat character I'd agree, heavy > light armor. --[[User:Quillan|Quillan]][[User talk:Quillan|Talk]] 15:49, 17 November 2011 (UTC)
::The Wind Walker perk is also quite usefull --Lex 23:20, 18 November 2011 (UTC+1)
:Isn't it also untrue that the right side is all Heavy Armor? The strongest Light Armor smithing is Dragon Smithing. [[Special:Contributions/81.233.217.129|81.233.217.129]] 08:26, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
::Dragon Smithing is both heavy armor and light armor. [[User:Baron|Baron]] 08:34, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
:::My personal belief is that the answer to the question "what is your character using?" is also the answer to which path to take, if you're only going to take one. However, I will say that the left path produces substandard weaponry in the long run. Glass weapons are good, but they just don't compare to ebony or daedric. I went the right path but also took elven smithing because elven weapons are slightly better than dwarven and quite a bit better than orcish.--[[User:Quillan|Quillan]][[User talk:Quillan|Talk]] 19:31, 19 November 2011 (UTC)

== Fortify Smithing ==

Does this effect increase the statistics of an item when you make it or does it just increase the improvements made at the grindstone and workbench? [[User:Olioster|Olioster]] 15:39, 17 November 2011 (UTC)
:I think it increases your effective skill. Another site has a chart for the improvements that goes well beyond 100 smithing skill, and shows higher improvements at higher skill levels. I have no idea how far it goes. However, I will say this much: when my first character reached 100 smithing, I made and improved an Ebony Mace for myself, since the damage for the ebony was the same as the daedric. I had a necklace that added 12% to smithing, but didn't use it then. Later, when I was making a Daedric War Axe, I had disenchanted that necklace, enchanted another as well as two pieces of leather armor to 8% each, and used all of those plus a smithing potion for the improvement. When I did, I discovered that I could improve the ebony mace yet again, to higher than it was before. There is definitely some category higher than 100 smithing. --[[User:Quillan|Quillan]][[User talk:Quillan|Talk]] 15:53, 17 November 2011 (UTC)
::Yes, even if the item is Legendary quality, it can still be improved upon, and there does not appear to be a cap on how far the improvement can go, so potions and enchantments that fortify smithing, perks and smithing skill can combine to make weapons and armor that have exorbitant stats. In theory, a character that perks heavily into crafting can make some of the highest rated weapons and armor possible, through fortified enchantments, fortified potions and max smithing perks and skill. There's also a cross-crafting exploit with enchanting and alchemy that could potentially push the smithing improvements beyond game breaking limits. [[Special:Contributions/24.156.216.144|24.156.216.144]] 14:10, 19 November 2011 (UTC)

To directly answer your question, it only affects improvements made at the grindstone/workbench. Items stats can also be increased with fortify smithing enchants/potions, though the name will remain legendary.

== Materials ==

It might be useful to provide a list of what crafting items correspond to which item types
i.e.
Leather to Hide Armour
Iron Ingot to Iron Armour
Steel Ingot to Steel Armour
Refined Malachite for Glass...
etc.

== Steel Smithing ==

I recently aquired the steel smithing perk and am unable to smith steel...does anyone else have this problem? How do I fix this? I have reached level 30 smithing.

[[Special:Contributions/216.167.237.76|216.167.237.76]] 01:09, 21 November 2011 (UTC)confused smith[[Special:Contributions/216.167.237.76|216.167.237.76]] 01:09, 21 November 2011 (UTC)
:At a guess, you either didn't confirm the selection of the perk (in which case you don't actually have it yet, I did that once, open your skills and see if you have any unspent perks) or you are lacking one or more materials to make it. If you have the perk, there should be a category at the forge interface named Steel. If you're lacking materials then the choices will be greyed out. --[[User:Quillan|Quillan]][[User talk:Quillan|Talk]] 16:30, 22 November 2011 (UTC)

== Legendary pt. 2/3/4/5/etc ==

Apparently (according to other wiki's and my personal experience), there are more than one tiers of Legendary. I have 100 smithing and the correct perks, and I was able to upgrade my legendary daedric sword to legendary (but two damage points higher) by wearing 20% boost smithing gauntlets... Somebody with the construction kit look into this. [[User:Stouf761|Stouf761]] 14:04, 21 November 2011 (UTC)
:Not out just yet, but yes there are tier(s) above basic Legendary. I've got two 12% smithing items and two 10% smithing items, which allow some nice improvement. Tossing a 40-50% potion on top of those allows still more improvement. I'm just not sure if the data table on the other wiki is correct. --[[User:Quillan|Quillan]][[User talk:Quillan|Talk]] 18:50, 21 November 2011 (UTC)
::That's true, look up some crazy smithing and enchanting videos - you can boost a Daedric dagger to 100 dmg or more. The limit is very high and you can boost smithing via potions and enchanting armor. --[[Special:Contributions/147.251.215.82|147.251.215.82]] 20:09, 21 November 2011 (UTC)

== SIDES IN SMITHING ==

i was wondering, your choice is smithing (right-left), is permanent..?i mean if u choose heavy than u cant smith light and the opposite???
:If you start taking heavy armor smithing perks, they wont stop you from gaining light armor smithing perks later {{FC|purple|[[User:Andil the mage|Andil the mage]] 19:19, 23 November 2011 (UTC)}}

== Random armor/weapon loot ==

Just curiosity on my part here: has anyone randomly found any pieces of daedric armor or weaponry aside from arrows? If so, how much and what level were you? My orc is level 44, and I haven't seen a single piece of daedric yet as random loot. I've found a few pieces of ebony armor and weapons in dungeons, and even once ran across a hostile NPC on a road (just called Breton) who was wearing ebony armor/boots/gauntlets, but no daedric thus far aside from what I made myself. Smithing has been well worth the investment to me just for this reason. --[[User:Quillan|Quillan]][[User talk:Quillan|Talk]] 22:18, 23 November 2011 (UTC)

== Each type ==

Should we here add list of all thing that can be made in smith and what we need for it? From Iron to Dragon?
--[[User:Aleksa|Aleksa]] 21:36, 24 November 2011 (UTC)

== Certain weapons can't be improved ==

I know at least two weapons that can't be improved via smithing, Skyforge Steel Dagger and Supple Ancient Nord Bow, I think the article should mention that as a bug. Also, does anyone know if there is a console command to "unlock" these items into making them improveable? :)

Skyrim talk:Illusion Spells

2011-11-24T21:41:40Z

24.33.141.151:

Where is Fade Other obtained? I have 75 illusion and bought invisibility from the guy at the college. I assumed I could buy Fade Other if I could invisibility since its cheaper to cast, but he doesn't have it. [[User:Ice|Ice]] 11:38, 20 November 2011 (UTC)

I have 100 illusion now I've done the master quest and I still cant find this anywhere. Ive posted on every game forum and answer site and noone is helping. Cant this just be checked on PC or something if its actually in game?? [[User:Ice|Ice]] 05:04, 21 November 2011 (UTC)

As far as I can tell:

1. This page and some pages at segmentnext.com mention the spell, describing it as
"Target is invisible for 30 seconds. Activating an object or attacking will break the spell."

2. The Prima Official Game Guide does NOT mention it.

3. ElderScrolls.wikia.com does NOT mention it.

4. The author of the article has provided a hexadecimal ID, but the official Creation Kit is not out yet.

Based on this evidence I would speculate that it is an unimplemented spell whose address is accessible
by file reading tools available to some editors who dabble in the arcane art of modding. Although it
is difficult to prove something does not exist I would bet on the basis of your in game experience (which
is supposed to be the evidence we use) that it doesn't. One could also speculate that the spell was coded but never added to any NPC's list or to a Spell Tome, for reasons known only to Bethesda. Consequently, I will leave a caveat under the "where to get" column. [[User:Kalevala|Kalevala]] 20:12, 22 November 2011 (UTC)

When you cast a spell infront of him he says something like "You're a mage? Can you make me invisible?" The only option is to either tell him no, or lie and tell him you did, which leads me to assume they had planned on putting this spell in game but didn't get around to it. Going to try and find the ID and try it on Haming. [[Special:Contributions/24.33.141.151|24.33.141.151]] 21:32, 24 November 2011 (UTC)
:Nothing special happens when you actually cast it on him, although I cast it on Lydia and she said 'What the...I'm invisible!' so they must have originally planned to put this spell ingame, or else she wouldn't have that dialogue since there's no other way she would become invisible.

Skyrim talk:Illusion Spells

2011-11-24T21:32:56Z

24.33.141.151:

Skyrim talk:Illusion Spells

2011-11-24T21:32:34Z

24.33.141.151: /* Haming */

Skyrim talk:Illusion Spells

2011-11-24T21:32:14Z

24.33.141.151: /* Haming */ new section

Where is Fade Other obtained? I have 75 illusion and bought invisibility from the guy at the college. I assumed I could buy Fade Other if I could invisibility since its cheaper to cast, but he doesn't have it. [[User:Ice|Ice]] 11:38, 20 November 2011 (UTC)

I have 100 illusion now I've done the master quest and I still cant find this anywhere. Ive posted on every game forum and answer site and noone is helping. Cant this just be checked on PC or something if its actually in game?? [[User:Ice|Ice]] 05:04, 21 November 2011 (UTC)

As far as I can tell:

1. This page and some pages at segmentnext.com mention the spell, describing it as
"Target is invisible for 30 seconds. Activating an object or attacking will break the spell."

2. The Prima Official Game Guide does NOT mention it.

3. ElderScrolls.wikia.com does NOT mention it.

4. The author of the article has provided a hexadecimal ID, but the official Creation Kit is not out yet.

Based on this evidence I would speculate that it is an unimplemented spell whose address is accessible
by file reading tools available to some editors who dabble in the arcane art of modding. Although it
is difficult to prove something does not exist I would bet on the basis of your in game experience (which
is supposed to be the evidence we use) that it doesn't. One could also speculate that the spell was coded but never added to any NPC's list or to a Spell Tome, for reasons known only to Bethesda. Consequently, I will leave a caveat under the "where to get" column. [[User:Kalevala|Kalevala]] 20:12, 22 November 2011 (UTC)

== Haming ==

When you cast a spell infront of him he says something like "You're a mage? Can you make me invisible?" The only option is to either tell him no, or lie and tell him you did, which leads me to assume they had planned on putting this spell in game but didn't get around to it. Going to try and find the ID and try it on Haming.

Oblivion:Alchemy

2011-08-29T17:36:55Z

24.33.141.151: /* Obtaining Apparatus */

{{Skills Summary
|Image=AlchemyTitle.gif
|Attrib=Intelligence
|Special=Magic
|ExTrail=[[Oblivion:Magic|Magic]]
}}
'''Alchemy''' is one of the seven [[Oblivion:Skills|skills]] that make up the [[Oblivion:Magic|Magical]] Arts. This skill allows you to identify the different properties of [[Oblivion:Ingredients|Ingredients]]. These ingredients can then be used to make potions and poisons. The potency and price of the potions/poisons you make is determined by your alchemy skill level. Selling potions created by alchemical ingredients is one of the easiest and most efficient ways to get gold in the game.

Although Alchemy's governing attribute is [[Oblivion:Intelligence|Intelligence]], Intelligence has ''no effect'' on the potency of the potions that you make. (This is very different from earlier Elder Scrolls games such as [[Morrowind:Morrowind|Morrowind]]). Furthermore, boosts in alchemy caused by enchantments (potions, spells, or equipped constant effect items) have no impact on the potions that you make. (The Altar of Alchemy in [[Oblivion:Frostcrag Spire (place)|Frostcrag Spire]] is the one exception: it will improve your potions).

You can consume up to four potions at one time. This number does ''not'' increase at higher alchemy levels, however you can drink an unlimited number of potions if you hotkey them as long as the potion doesn't have a duration effect, otherwise you will need to wait until one of the effects has run out to start drinking potions again. An unlimited number of ingredients can be eaten at once (wortcraft).

Potions can be very powerful. For example, at the highest levels and with the best equipment, a ''[[Oblivion:Alchemy Effects#Restore Health|Restore Health]]'' potion can restore 559 points of damage and a ''[[Oblivion:Alchemy Effects#Restore Magicka|Restore Magicka]]'' potion can restore 1872 points of magicka. A ''[[Oblivion:Alchemy Effects#Damage Health|Damage Health]]'' poison can cause 240 points of damage, and this amount can be more than [[Oblivion:Useful_Potions#Triple_Damage_Poisons|tripled]] in combination with other damage effects. Therefore, investing some time in alchemy will unlock some of the most powerful effects available in Oblivion.

If you would like to experiment with what types of potions and poisons are possible, try using the new [http://www.uesp.net/oblivion/alchemy/alc_calc.php Alchemy Calculator]. This calculator provides information on the strengths of the various effects and the ingredients that can be used to obtain those effects. For more information, see the page describing the [[Oblivion:Alchemy Calculator|Alchemy Calculator]].

You may find a number of calculators on the net. For easy playing with variations of recipes you may try for example [http://oblivion.melian.cc/?cmd=cmdOblivionAlchemyWizard Darliandor's Alchemy Lab] or [http://harryboeck.dyndns.org/Spiele/Oblivion/Alchemie-Rechner.php?lang=en just another one].

==Mastery==
===Mastery Perks===
* A '''Novice''' (alchemy < 25) recognizes one of four potential alchemical properties of an [[Oblivion:Ingredients|ingredient]].

* An '''Apprentice''' (alchemy 25-49) recognizes two of four potential alchemical properties of an [[Oblivion:Ingredients|ingredient]].

* A '''Journeyman''' (alchemy 50-74) recognizes three of four potential alchemical properties of an [[Oblivion:Ingredients|ingredient]].

* An '''Expert''' (alchemy 75-99) recognizes all four potential alchemical properties of an [[Oblivion:Ingredients|ingredient]].

* A '''Master''' (alchemy 100) can make potions from a single [[Oblivion:Ingredients|ingredient]]. Only the first effect of the chosen ingredient gets added into the potion.

===Skill Benefits===
Your alchemy skill level also affects the strength (both magnitude and duration) of the potions you brew. Your alchemy skill level is modified by your [[Oblivion:luck|luck]] (+5 luck is equivalent to +2 alchemy, maximum 100 alchemy). However, only your character's base level of alchemy and luck are taken into account: magical enhancements or reductions (e.g., fortify luck, drain alchemy), whether from potions, spells, or equipment, have no effect on the strength of your potions.

===Skill Increases===
Your alchemy experience increases 5.0 points per potion created (regardless of the number of ingredients used). Experience also increases 0.5 points for each non-food ingredient eaten (wortcraft).

As your alchemy level increases, so too will the strength of your potions and the effects of wortcraft. To increase alchemy, you want to collect as many ingredients as possible so you can make potions. For the purpose of skill training, you only need to have a mortar and pestle in your equipment.
* [[Oblivion:Ingredient Locations|Farms]] are your best bet for finding a lot of free ingredients and raising Alchemy quickly. You can also find ingredients in the various [[Oblivion:Guild Halls#Mages Guild|Mages Guild Halls]]; food can be found in nearly every building in Cyrodiil.
* Infinite numbers of certain ingredients can be obtained:
** [[Oblivion:Shepherd's Pie|Shepherd's Pie]] from [[Oblivion:Eyja|Eyja]] (who comes with [[Oblivion:Rosethorn Hall|Rosethorn Hall]] in [[Oblivion:Skingrad|Skingrad]])
** Six food ingredients from [[Oblivion:Rona Benanius|Rona Benanius]] (only if the [[Oblivion:Fighter's Stronghold|Fighter's Stronghold]] [[Oblivion:Official Plug-ins|official plug-in]] has been installed).
** [[Oblivion:Purgeblood Salts|Purgeblood Salts]] using an [[Oblivion:Purgeblood Salts#Bugs|exploit]] (only if the [[Oblivion:Vile Lair|Vile Lair]] official plug-in has been installed).
** [[Shivering:Greenmote|Greenmote]] from the Greenmote Pile in [[Shivering:Greenmote Silo|Greenmote Silo]] (only if [[Shivering:Shivering Isles|Shivering Isles]] has been installed and the [[Shivering:Ritual of Mania|Ritual of Mania]] quest has been started).
* If your [[Oblivion:Strength|Strength]] is too low to keep all the ingredients that you collect while traveling, carrying a Mortar and Pestle allows you to make a potion quickly from the ingredients and gain experience instead of just discarding the ingredients.
* Unwanted potions yield good profit when sold, and good self-made potions and poisons make the early levels much easier.
* Avoid eating ingredients at higher levels, because you will gain much more alchemy experience by making potions out of the same ingredients. At lower levels, some ingredients can be difficult or impossible to find another one to mix it with, so eating may be more useful. Furthermore, be careful not to eat too many ingredients at once -- excessively high magnitudes for active effects can produce game instabilities.

See also:
* '''[[Oblivion:Increasing Skills#Intelligence|Increasing Skills]]:''' General tips on how to improve your skills semi-naturally.
* '''[[Oblivion:Trainers#Alchemy|Trainers]]:''' Pay for alchemy lessons.
* {{Quest Link|quest=Alchemy Training}}
* '''[[Oblivion:Skill Books#Alchemy|Skill Books]]:''' Books that provide lessons in alchemy.
* '''[[Oblivion:Increasing Attributes#Intelligence|Increasing Attributes]]:''' Tips on training skills to improve the [[Oblivion:Intelligence|Intelligence]] attribute.
* '''[[Oblivion:Free Skill Boosts|Free Skill Boosts]]:''' one free alchemy skill boost (for one point) is available during the [[Oblivion:Dagon Shrine|Dagon Shrine]] quest.
* '''[[Oblivion:Generic_Magic_Apparel|Magic Items]]''': There are multiple generic items with the fortify alchemy enchantment. However, these enchantments do not actually do anything for the character, and are therefore useless.
* '''[[Oblivion:Unique_Items|Unique Items]]''': A list of unique items, some of which fortify the alchemy skill. These do not include [[Oblivion:Leveled_Items|Leveled Items]] such as those received from quests, or [[Oblivion:Artifacts|Artifacts]]. However, since these enchantments do not actually do anything for the character, they are useless.

===Dialogue===
When your skill reaches 70 or higher, NPCs will start saying: "How about mixing up some potions? You look like quite the alchemist."

==Character Creation==
The following races provide initial skill bonuses in alchemy:
* +5 bonus: [[Oblivion:Altmer|Altmer]], [[Oblivion:Argonian|Argonian]], [[Oblivion:Breton|Breton]]
* +10 bonus: [[Oblivion:Bosmer|Bosmer]]

The following standard classes include alchemy as a major skill:
* [[Oblivion:Classes#Assassin|Assassin]], [[Oblivion:Classes#Bard|Bard]], [[Oblivion:Classes#Battlemage|Battlemage]], [[Oblivion:Classes#Healer|Healer]], [[Oblivion:Classes#Mage|Mage]], [[Oblivion:Classes#Rogue|Rogue]], [[Oblivion:Classes#Scout|Scout]], [[Oblivion:Classes#Sorcerer|Sorcerer]], [[Oblivion:Classes#Witchhunter|Witchhunter]]

==Apparatus==
The qualities of the different apparatus are: '''Novice, Apprentice, Journeyman, Expert and Master'''.

;Mortar & Pestle: This is the basic apparatus you need to combine two or more ingredients to create a potion; it is the only required apparatus.
::*The effect of the ''Mortar and Pestle'' is to add effectively to your alchemy skill, anywhere from 2.5 points (Novice equipment) to 25 points (Master equipment).
::*Therefore, improving the quality of your ''Mortar and Pestle'' increases the [[#Prices of potions|prices of potions]] and causes small increases in the magnitude and duration of all effects of both potions and poisons.

;Retort: The ''Retort'' increases the magnitude and duration of all '''positive effects''' of the potion.
::*A ''Retort'' will typically increase the magnitudes of all positive effects by 5% (Novice equipment) to 50% (Master equipment); durations are increased by 10% (Novice equipment) to 100% (Master equipment).
::*A ''Retort'' never has any effect on a poison, or on the negative effects of a potion.

;Calcinator: The ''Calcinator'' increases the magnitude and duration of '''ALL effects''', both positive and negative.
::*A ''Calcinator'' alone typically increases both the magnitude and duration by 3.5% (Novice equipment) to 35% (Master equipment)
::*If a ''Calcinator'' is used in combination with a ''Retort'', the ''Calcinator'' will typically increase the magnitude of positive effects by 14% (Novice equipment) to 140% (Master equipment).

;Alembic: The purpose of the Alembic is to decrease the magnitude and duration of '''negative side-effects''' in potions (not in poisons). However, there are some quirks about how Alembics actually work (see [[#Calculating Potion Strengths|Calculating Potion Strengths]] for details).
::*An ''Alembic'' is supposed to decrease both the magnitude and duration of negative side-effects by 20% (Novice equipment) to 200% (Master equipment).
::*In reality, a '''Novice ''Alembic''''' may '''increase''' the magnitude and duration of negative side-effects by as much as 15%
::*Apprentice and higher quality ''Alembics'' will always decrease negative side-effects, however, the magnitude and duration are never decreased below 1.
::*An Expert quality ''Alembic'' is sufficient to ensure that all negative side-effects always have the magnitude and duration of 1; upgrading to a Master quality ''Alembic'' causes no further improvement.
::*Although ''Alembics'' are not supposed to, they will typically increase both the magnitude and duration of poisons (this effect is not dependent upon the quality of the ''Alembic''; see [[#Calculating Potion Strengths|Calculating Potion Strengths]] for details).

The above statements about the quantitative impact of the various apparatus are for typical cases; however, as discussed in [[#Calculating Potion Strengths|Calculating Potion Strengths]], the exact impact depends upon several factors.

===Obtaining Apparatus===
;Novice Apparatus: If you go through the training tutorial at the beginning of the game, a Novice Mortar and Pestle is available there. The Cloud Ruler Temple's East Wing has a full set of Novice Alchemy equipment available to Blade members. Novice Alchemy equipment can be stolen from the Mages guild, or taken freely if you are a member. [[Oblivion:Ancotar|Ancotar]] keeps a complete set of Novice Alchemy equipment on a bench in his room in Fort Caractacus; it can be stolen without his intervention before beginning the [[Oblivion:Zero Visibility|Zero Visibility]] quest (attempting to do so during or after the quest may cause Ancotar to attack you). Novice Alchemy equipment can also be bought from alchemy vendors. In addition, the alchemy equipment at the mages guilds respawns, in case you simply want to drop in from time to time and make a potion, without carrying around 16 pounds of gear.

;Stronger Apparatus: Higher quality apparatus can be bought from the various alchemy vendors or found in dungeons, particularly conjurer and necromancer lairs. As your character level increases, the quality of apparatus available also increases. The increase in the quality of apparatus does not correlate to your alchemy skill level. When a piece of apparatus appears in random loot, there is a two in five chance it will be a Mortar and Pestle, and a one in five chance for each of the other three types of apparatus. The chart below shows at what level each grade of apparatus can be found at vendors and in dungeons.
:{|class=wikitable
!Quality!!Vendors!!Dungeons
|-
|Novice||1||1
|-
|Apprentice||6||5
|-
|Journeyman||14||9
|-
|Expert||18||13
|-
|Master||''never''||17
|}
:* The most likely sources of stronger apparatus are [[Oblivion:Conjurer Dungeons|Conjurer Dungeons]] and [[Oblivion:Necromancer Dungeons|Necromancer Dungeons]]. As can be seen from the [[Oblivion:Conjurer Dungeons#Conjurer Containers|containers section]] of each of these pages, boss chests in these dungeons each have a 25% chance of containing a random leveled piece of alchemy apparatus; other containers in the dungeons each have a 10% chance. In other dungeons (e.g., [[Oblivion:Monster Dungeons|Monster]], [[Oblivion:Undead Dungeons|Undead]], or [[Oblivion:Vampire Dungeons|Vampire]]), alchemy equipment will only possibly appear in boss chests, with only a 10% chance. For any character who is at least level 17, there is an equal chance of finding Journeyman, Expert, or Master equipment.
:* One strategy for finding a full set of Master equipment is to save just outside an area with a conjurer or necromancer boss chest (e.g., before the door to the second level of a conjurer dungeon), then quickly run up and open the boss chest, reloading if it doesn't contain the item you want. Echo Cave is an ideal place for this, as there are 5 boss chests in Echo Necromancer's Chamber.
:* Another strategy for finding Master Equipment is to go to the [[Oblivion:Temple of the Ancestor Moths (place)|Temple of the Ancestor Moths]] and search every container inside as it is a relatively small dungeon (a bonus not needing to fight because of the Blind Moth Priests). After exiting the dungeon you can wait 72 hours and all the chests will be re-filled with more random loot possibly containing Master Equipment.
:*The highest level of equipment that is guaranteed to be within the world (without mods) is Apprentice. There are a few instances of each individual piece of Apprentice equipment. The only complete set, containing all four pieces of Apprentice equipment, is housed in [[Oblivion:Fathis Aren's Tower|Fathis Aren's Tower]], on the table on the upper floor of the tower. The location is related to the [[Oblivion:Thieves Guild|Thieves Guild]] quest [[Oblivion:Arrow_of_Extrication|Arrow of Extrication]]. It is possible to sneak past Fathis, enter the grotto, enter the tower, and take the equipment, all without killing Fathis or being on the quest at the time. Fathis will not attack a mages guild member in good standing but any creatures present in the tower will.
:* A bug in the vendor leveled lists means they are ''less'' likely to stock Journeyman equipment at level 15 and above than they are at level 14, as a second set of Apprentice equipment is added to the possibilities at that point.
:*In the [[Shivering:Shivering Isles|Shivering Isles]] expansion, a Journeyman Calcinator (along with an Apprentice Mortar and Pestle and a Novice Alembic) can be found in the quarters of the Duke of [[Shivering:Mania|Mania]].

===Strength of Apparatus===
The following table shows the relative strengths of the various quality levels of apparatus. This table applies to all pieces of alchemy equipment. These strengths determine the [[#Prices of potions|price]], [[#Calculating Potion Strengths|duration]], and [[#Calculating Potion Strengths|magnitude]] of potions and poisons.

{| class="wikitable" style = "text-align:center"
! Quality !! Strength
|-
| Novice || 0.1
|-
| Apprentice || 0.25
|-
| Journeyman || 0.5
|-
| Expert || 0.75
|-
| Master || 1
|}

==Potion Characteristics==

===Effects===
See the '''[[Oblivion:Alchemy_Effects|Alchemy Effects]]''' page for detailed information on the magical effects available in alchemy.

Your potions/poisons can contain multiple effects. The potion-creation screen will show up to five effects. In fact, up to eight effects can be simultaneously present in a single potion/poison (all will be shown when you look at the vial in your inventory).

Any mixture containing even just one positive effect will produce a '''potion'''. Potions are colored pink in your inventory, and when activated, your character will drink the potion. If there are any negative side-effects also contained in the potion, you will be affected by them.

Any mixture containing exclusively negative effects will produce a '''poison'''. Poisons are colored green in your inventory. When activated, the poison will be applied to your active weapon; the next time you use the weapon your target will be poisoned. For a melee weapon (blade or blunt), the poison will only be used if your weapon strikes an object with an actor (creature or NPC). Striking an inanimate object will not use the poison. When attached to a bow, however, a poison is used up on the next shot, whether it lands or not. Even if you pick up the arrow that you just shot, the poison is wasted.

===Ingredients===
See the '''[[Oblivion:Ingredients|Ingredients]]''' page for more information on the ingredients available in the game. See the '''[[Oblivion:Ingredient_Locations|Ingredient Locations]]''' page for help finding larger quantities of certain ingredients.

The strength of a potion is not influenced by which ingredients you use. For example, a ''Pumpkin'' + ''Watermelon'' potion will have the same ''Restore Fatigue'' magnitude and duration as a ''Flour'' + ''Apple'' potion (only the weight will be affected, with the caveats described under [[Oblivion:Alchemy#Weight|Weight]]). Including three or even four ingredients with the same effect will not increase the potion strength. Finally, on the potion creation page, the slots that you use and their order have no effect: e.g., you can put your ingredients in slots one and two, one and four, or three and four. However placing the same ingredients in different slots may lead to a different order of effects for multi-effect potions, which can result in two (or more) potions with the same effect, price and weight being unable to stack with each other in your inventory.

===Weight===
The simple rule is: the weight of the potions you create is calculated as the average of the weight of the individual ingredients used to make the potion.

The full rule is a bit more complicated. The weight of a specific potion is determined by the ingredients used the '''first''' time you make that potion. Thereafter, ''any identical potion will have the same weight''. Identical means the potion must have the same name, the same list of effects (in the same order), and the same magnitude and duration of each individual effect, but not necessarily the same ingredients.

So, if you are whipping up a large batch of ''[[Oblivion:Alchemy_Effects#Restore Fatigue|Restore Fatigue]]'' potions from all the food you are carrying, if your first potion is made with a ''[[Oblivion:Watermelon|Watermelon]]'' and a ''[[Oblivion:Pumpkin (ingredient)|Pumpkin]]'', then '''all''' your subsequent [[Oblivion:Alchemy_Effects#Restore Fatigue|Restore Fatigue]] potions will be abnormally heavy (5 pounds!), even if they are made with other lighter ingredients. It's quite possible due to this glitch that you will end more encumbered after an alchemy session than you were before you started. Thus, the best practice is to use your lightest ingredients first, and only use the heavier ones afterwards. You also may want to hold a few light ingredients for each time your Alchemy skill level increases.

You can escape the "Watermumpkin" catastrophe in a few ways:
* '''Change Skill Level''' - When your Alchemy skill level increases the potion strength generally goes up; at that point the weight is recalculated (note that this can happen mid-session if you are churning out a large batch of identical potions: pay careful attention to catch the sound cue that says your level just went up).
* '''Change Equipment''' - Changing alchemy equipment will change the potion strength.
* '''Change Potion Name''' - The most reliable way is simply to rename your potion. Even minor edits (adding an extra space, adding a number at the end) are sufficient to force the game to consider this to be a new, different potion and recalculate the weight. The only disadvantage is that you may forget to use the new name on a later batch of potions.
* '''Keep Samples''' - You may also want to hold one sample (don't sell or use them all) of each kind of potion you regularly make in order to refer to it. For example: If you are attempting to make a potion of Restore Fatigue using ''[[Oblivion:Bread Loaf|Bread Loaf]]'' and ''[[Oblivion:Lettuce|Lettuce]]'' that will have the effect of 9 for 34 seconds, but your inventory sample shows your previous best was 8 for 31 seconds, you may be about to make a "Pump-Mellon" mistake. It would be better, in this example, first to use light ingredients like a ''[[Oblivion:Strawberry|Strawberry]]'' and a ''[[Oblivion:Radish|Radish]]'' to make '''one''' very light potion (weighing 0.1). The advantage is: if it were the first instance of Restore Fatigue having the improved effect, it would force all the subsequent potions made using Bread Loaf and Lettuce to be very light as well. If you regularly maintain samples and a reserve of a few light ingredients, all of your potions for Restore Fatigue, Restore Health, Restore Magicka, Burden, Damage Fatigue, etc. should weigh 0.1 each.

===Prices of Potions===
The price for which you can sell your potions (and poisons) is determined by your Alchemy skill level (modified by [[Oblivion:Luck|Luck]]) and the quality of your mortar and pestle. The number of ingredients, cost of the ingredients, number of alchemy effects, and quality (or even presence) of other alchemy equipment have no effect. The price of a potion can be calculated from:
Price = ([[#Effective_Alchemy|Effective_Alchemy]] + [[#Strength of Apparatus|MortarPestle_Strength]]*25) * 0.45
The prices are always rounded down (so if you calculate a price of 8.95, the actual price will be 8 gold). Therefore, custom potions can range in price from 3 to 56 gold.

However, the same quirk described above for [[#Weight|Weight]] also applies to the potion price. In other words, the price is set the '''first''' time you make a specific potion; all subsequent potions with the same name, same alchemy effects, and same strength will have the same price.

This may be most apparent when making ''[[Oblivion:Alchemy_Effects#Cure Disease|Cure Disease]]'' potions. Since ''Cure Disease'' potions have no strength, the price ends up being determined by your level the first time you make a ''Cure Disease'' potion. On the one hand, it makes sense that two potions that have the same effect should have the same price. On the other hand, it makes no sense that two ''Cure Disease'' potions made by two level 75 alchemy characters should have different prices, and in particular that the potion made by the first-timer will cost more than that made by a character who has been making them continually since the start of the game.

The same tricks described for [[Oblivion:Alchemy#Weight|Weight]] can be used to force price increases. For potions such as ''[[Oblivion:Alchemy_Effects#Cure Disease|Cure Disease]]'' that do not have a strength, renaming the potion is the only option.

==Calculating Potion Strengths==

The equations to determine potion strengths are based on the same equations used to determine the magicka costs of [[Oblivion:Spell Making#Spell Costs|custom spells]], using the same effect ''Base Costs'' provided on the [[Oblivion:Spell Effects|Spell Effects]] page. For all potions and poisons made using only a ''Mortar and Pestle'', the magicka cost (i.e., the amount of magicka that would be required to cast an equivalent spell) is simply:
Magicka_Cost = Effective_Alchemy + [[#Strength of Apparatus|MortarPestle_Strength]]*25
where: 
Effective_Alchemy = Alchemy_Skill_Level + 0.4*(Luck_Level-50)
The <code>Effective_Alchemy</code> is set by the character's base levels of Alchemy Skill and Luck (i.e., completely ignoring any active ''Fortify'', ''Damage'' or ''Drain'' effects), and has a maximum value of 100 and minimum of 0. (The only ''Fortify Alchemy'' alchemy effect that '''will''' make a difference is the ''Alchemical Brilliance'' spell of Frostcrag Spire's Altar of Alchemy; even with the altar, however, your maximum <code>Effective_Alchemy</code> is still capped at 100). Note that attributes such as [[Oblivion:Intelligence|Intelligence]] do not have any effect.

It seems that Bethesda intended to use this simple equation to determine a base magnitude (<code>Base_Mag</code>) and base duration (<code>Base_Dur</code>) for any effect; these base values would be applicable for a given <code>Effective_Alchemy</code> and quality of ''Mortar and Pestle.'' Then a set of [[#Master Equations|Master Equations]] would be used to add in the effects of all the other apparatus (''Retort'', ''Alembic'', and ''Calcinator''). However, in implementing this system Bethesda seems of have made a few mistakes, so in fact the system is overly complex, with several exceptions that crop up in various situations.

To start with, there are several different equations for the base magnitudes and base durations. Some effects (''Duration-Only Effects'') only have a Duration (Magnitude=1 always). Other effects (''Magnitude-Only Effects'') only have a Magnitude (Duration=1). For the remaining effects, the base duration is defined to be four times the base magnitude. Subsequent sections detail the exact equations used to determine the base magnitudes and base durations for each of these situations. These equations have all been incorporated into the [http://www.uesp.net/oblivion/alchemy/alc_calc.php Alchemy Calculator], if you would like an easier way to figure out a given effect's magnitude and duration.

'''Caveat''': The following equations have not yet been tested on a Master-quality ''Calcinator'' (they have been thoroughly tested for all other 19 pieces of alchemy equipment). However, there is no reason to believe that they should not apply equally to a Master Calcinator.

===Master Equations===
Taking the base durations and magnitudes (as provided in subsequent sections), the master equations are then:
Magnitude = Base_Mag * (1 + Calc_Fac*[[#Strength of Apparatus|Calcinator_Strength]]
+ Ret_Mag_Fac*[[#Strength of Apparatus|Retort_Strength]]
- Alem_Fac*[[#Strength of Apparatus|Alembic_Strength]])
Duration = Base_Dur * (1 + Calc_Fac*[[#Strength of Apparatus|Calcinator_Strength]]
+ Ret_Dur_Fac*[[#Strength of Apparatus|Retort_Strength]]
- Alem_Fac*[[#Strength of Apparatus|Alembic_Strength]])
The <code>Ret_Mag_Fac</code> and <code>Ret_Dur_Fac</code> factors are always zero for negative effects; the <code>Alem_Fac</code> factor is zero for all positive effects and for all poisons (it only affects negative side-effects in potions). However, as detailed below, there are multiple exceptions to these equations.

In all cases, the final magnitudes and durations are rounded such that 4.5 is rounded up to 5; 4.49 is rounded down to 4. The minimum values for the duration and magnitude are always 1.

The following table provides the factors to use in this equation.

{| class="wikitable" style = "text-align:center"
! !! Most Effects !! Duration-Only || Magnitude-Only
|-
| <code>Calc_Fac</code> || 0.35 || 0.25 || 0.3
|-
| <code>Ret_Dur_Fac</code> || 1 || 0.35 || N/A
|-
| <code>Ret_Mag_Fac</code> || 0.5 || N/A || 0.5
|-
| <code>Alem_Fac</code> || 2 || 2 || 2
|}

===Most Effects===
This section provides the equations for effects where both the magnitude and duration are variable (which are the vast majority of available effects).

For both positive and negative effects, at any <code>Effective_Alchemy</code> level and for any ''Mortar and Pestle'' quality, the base magnitude and duration are determined from:
Base_Mag = <nowiki>[</nowiki> ([[#Effective_Alchemy|Effective_Alchemy]] + [[#Strength of Apparatus|MortarPestle_Strength]]*25)/([[Oblivion:Spell_Effects|Effect_Base_Cost]]/10 * 4) <nowiki>]</nowiki> ^ (1/2.28)
Base_Dur = 4 * Base_Mag

The [[#Master Equations|Master Equations]] are only applicable when using just a ''Mortar and Pestle'' and ''Calcinator''. (Pieces of equipment with no effect can also be added without invalidating the [[#Master Equations|Master Equations]], i.e. a ''Retort'' for calculating negative effects or an ''Alembic'' for calculating positive effects)

There are two exceptions, however, when alternate equations must be substituted for the standard master equations

'''Exception 1:''' For '''positive effects''' when using '''''both a Calcinator and Retort''''', a special factor, <code>Calc_Mag_Fac</code>=1.4, is used instead of <code>Calc_Fac</code>=.35 (note these equations can '''not''' be used with <code>Retort_Strength</code>=0):
Magnitude = Base_Mag * (1 + Calc_Mag_Fac*[[#Strength of Apparatus|Calcinator_Strength]]
+ Ret_Mag_Fac*[[#Strength of Apparatus|Retort_Strength]])
Duration = Base_Dur * (1 + Calc_Fac*[[#Strength of Apparatus|Calcinator_Strength]]
+ Ret_Dur_Fac*[[#Strength of Apparatus|Retort_Strength]])

'''Exception 2:''' For '''negative effects''' when using an '''''Alembic''''', the equations become (note these equations can '''not''' be used with <code>Alembic_Strength</code>=0):
Magnitude = Base_Mag * (1 + Calc_Fac*[[#Strength of Apparatus|Calcinator_Strength]])
* (1 + Calc_Fac*[[#Strength of Apparatus|Calcinator_Strength]]
- Alem_Fac*[[#Strength of Apparatus|Alembic_Strength]])
Duration = Base_Dur * (1 + Calc_Fac*[[#Strength of Apparatus|Calcinator_Strength]])
* (1 + Calc_Fac*[[#Strength of Apparatus|Calcinator_Strength]]
- Alem_Fac*[[#Strength of Apparatus|Alembic_Strength]])
Note that the calcinator effect is included ''twice'' in both of these equations. These equations apply for negative effects in potions (i.e., unwanted side effects), in which case the equations are used as is. These equations are also used for poisons (i.e., any concoction which consists solely of negative effects), in which case <code>Alem_Fac</code> is always set to zero. This means that poisons '''are''' affected by adding an ''Alembic'' (the quality of the ''Alembic'' does not matter, just that you have it in your inventory).

Some implications of these equations for the negative side-effects of potions:
*A potion made with a Novice Alembic can actually have stronger negative side-effects than a potion made with no Alembic at all (if you are using an Expert-quality or Master-quality Calcinator).
*Using an Expert-quality Alembic will always cause a 100% reduction in the magnitude and duration of side-effects; therefore, the magnitude and duration of all side-effects will be 1 (reductions past 1 are never possible).
*A Master-quality Alembic is no better than an Expert-quality Alembic (both cause all side-effects to be 1).

===Duration-Only Effects===
For several effects only the Duration is variable (i.e., Magnitude is always 1). These effects are ''[[Oblivion:Invisibility|Invisibility]]'', ''[[Oblivion:Night-Eye|Night-Eye]]'', ''[[Oblivion:Paralyze|Paralyze]]'', ''[[Oblivion:Silence|Silence]]'', ''[[Oblivion:Water Breathing|Water Breathing]]'', ''[[Oblivion:Water Walking|Water Walking]]''.

For both positive and negative effects, at any <code>Effective_Alchemy</code> level and for any ''Mortar and Pestle'' quality, the base duration is determined from:
Base_Dur = ([[#Effective_Alchemy|Effective_Alchemy]] + [[#Strength of Apparatus|MortarPestle_Strength]]*25)/([[Oblivion:Spell_Effects|Effect_Base_Cost]]/10)

For ''Duration-Only Effects'', the [[#Master Equations|master equation]] works exactly as advertised.

In other words, the ''Alembic'' quirks mentioned under [[#Most Effects|Most Effects]] for negative effects do '''not''' apply to ''[[Oblivion:Paralyze|Paralyze]]'' and ''[[Oblivion:Silence|Silence]]'' effects. For these two negative effects, adding an Alembic has no effect on poisons. Furthermore, an Alembic will always decrease the strength of any negative side-effects in potions.

===Magnitude-Only Effects===
For one solitary effect, ''[[Oblivion:Dispel|Dispel]]'', only the Magnitude is variable (i.e., its Duration is always 1). Just to guarantee confusion, this one effect has its own set of governing equations.

For both positive and negative effects, at any <code>Effective_Alchemy</code> level and for any ''Mortar and Pestle'' quality, the base magnitude is determined from:
Base_Mag = <nowiki>[</nowiki> ([[#Effective_Alchemy|Effective_Alchemy]] + [[#Strength of Apparatus|MortarPestle_Strength]]*25)/([[Oblivion:Spell_Effects|Effect_Base_Cost]]/10) <nowiki>]</nowiki> ^ (1/1.28)

The master equations work for ''[[Oblivion:Dispel|Dispel]]'' as long as a ''Calcinator'' and ''Retort'' are not used simultaneously. But if using '''both a ''Calcinator'' and ''Retort''''', a modified equation is required (this equation can not be used with <code>Retort_Strength</code>=0 or with <code>Calcinator_Strength</code>=0):
Magnitude = Base_Mag * (1 + Calc_Fac*[[#Strength of Apparatus|Calcinator_Strength]]
* Ret_Mag_Fac*[[#Strength of Apparatus|Retort_Strength]])
Yes, the effects of the ''Retort'' and ''Calcinator'' are '''multiplied''' together here, not added. Although this is probably a mistake on Bethesda's part, this is the equation that governs [[Oblivion:Dispel|Dispel]] potions. Therefore, the strongest Dispel potions are actually made using a ''Retort'' alone; adding a ''Calcinator'' weakens the Dispel effect.

==Tips==
The system for making potions is simpler in Oblivion than it was in Morrowind. If you have an ingredient selected and you click an empty space to add another ingredient it shows the ingredients that have matching properties. This means that you can make money (and increase both your alchemy and Mercantile skills) by buying an alchemist's entire stock and matching them to make potions. Even poisons can be sold. Then any leftover ingredients can be either sold back to the merchant or kept to carry on to the next session.

Unlike Morrowind, created potions will only contain the ingredients' known effects according to your Alchemy skill. Hidden effects are completely ignored (in Morrowind hidden effects would still be applied to the final potion).

Combining ingredients that have only negative effects in common creates a poison. You can apply it to a weapon (bow/sword) and the next attack will apply the poison's effect to the enemy, often causing massive damage of proportions very hard to achieve by other schools of magic. The disadvantage of poisons is that their effect is usually distributed over time (i.e., the enemy may take several seconds to die). Note that if combined ingredients have at least one positive effect in common, the effect is a "spoiled potion" (one with both positive and negative effects), not a poison, and can not be applied to a weapon. This may cause poisons that are possible to make at lower levels become unavailable at higher levels, as positive effects of ingredients get unlocked.

Once you reach the Journeyman or higher level your ability to create complex potions and poisons is greatly increased. Effects will be added to your potion if you are combining more than one ingredient with that effect. You do not seem to gain anything by using more than two ingredients with the same effect (potion strength seems to be the same), but you can combine different damage effects (fire, frost, shock, health damage) for greater strength of a poison.

For example, with an alchemy skill of 50 (can see three effects) consider combining [[Oblivion:Harrada|Harrada]] (Damage Health, Damage Magicka, Silence), [[Oblivion:Spiddal Stick|Spiddal Stick]] (Damage Health, Damage Magicka, Fire Damage), and [[Oblivion:Vampire Dust|Vampire Dust]] (Silence, Resist Disease, Frost Damage) together. The resulting poison will have the combined effects: '''Damage Health + Damage Magicka + Silence'''. Note that you '''cannot''' make a potion when enemies are nearby.

If you make a potion out of stolen ingredients, the resulting potion is not flagged as being stolen.

== Messages ==
The following table provides the messages that are displayed when your Alchemy skill levels up.

{| class=wikitable
! Level !! Message
|-
| Apprentice || Your stained fingers attest to your diligence in mixing potions and learning their secrets. You are now an Apprentice of Alchemy. All potion ingredients have four potential effects. You can now automatically identify the first two effects.
|-
| Journeyman || Your stained fingers attest to your diligence in mixing potions and learning their secrets. You are now a Journeyman of Alchemy. All potion ingredients have four potential effects. You can now automatically identify the first three effects.
|-
| Expert || Your stained fingers attest to your diligence in mixing potions and learning their secrets. You are now an Expert of Alchemy. All potion ingredients have four potential effects. You can now automatically identify all the effects.
|-
| Master || Your stained fingers attest to your diligence in mixing potions and learning their secrets. You are now a Master of Alchemy. Normally it takes two or more ingredients to make a potion. As a master Alchemist, you can create a potion from a single ingredient.
|}

==Useful Potions==
For lists of useful potions that can be made, see [[Oblivion:Useful Potions|Useful Potions]].
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