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 Post subject: Re: Thuro's "Art" + {Open} The UESP portrait shop
PostPosted: Wed Feb 05, 2014 9:17 pm 
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Cortana again


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Especially proud of these.

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when you draw from a photo, then one good way to learn to get it right is to turn the picture upside down

the face is definitely the hardest thing to get right cos we get distracted by eyes, noses and mouths and ignore the spaces in between which are just as important - so if you turn the pic upside down you can trick yourself into into not being drawn to eyes etc as much. Once you have the general face drawn, you can then turn it right side up and tweak it and get the beauty in.

it may be a disaster at first but if you stick at it I think you will notice the difference


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 Post subject: Re: Thuro's "Art" + {Open} The UESP portrait shop
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Also, and I speak from personal experience, use a softer pencil. What this does is cause the carbon to smear easier. This can seem very annoying at first, especially if you hand rests heavy on the page, but with practice you can use your finger to smear the carbon where you want, to add shadow, or in the case of hair, make it seem less stringy.

But yeah dude, you are getting better. Nice to see you putting some honest effort behind this.


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 Post subject: Re: Thuro's "Art" + {Open} The UESP portrait shop
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Had a very busy day. Only drew this one image and it is subpar. Partly because I was tired and partly because its an angle I'm unfamiliar with.

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As for your suggestion Venger its a good one but I can't do it because I don't own softer pencils (that are light enough) and I'm not in a position where I can buy more (please don't ask).

But that's a good suggestion Mattbot. I think I'll try that on some scratch paper. Out of curiosity what is it that's disproportionate? The cheekbones? The forehead? What is it?

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 Post subject: Re: Thuro's "Art" + {Open} The UESP portrait shop
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Don't cut yourself short. If your drawing looks like the subject, or is recognizable to the subject, I'd say you succeeded. And when I saw it, I definitely thought it look like Claudia Black.


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Draw me like one of your French girls thuro and we have a deal.


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Well I'm burned out on faces. Can't even draw them anymore I'm so burned out. Drew this instead.

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@Doros I actually drew farore based off the other image but that's not important. I'm not primarily an artist. I'm a writer. I just draw for fun. So yeah. The images come out blotchy because I take a picture of them with a phone and I don't really care about the lighting. I just share because I have very few people in my life to show it too. So I'm not going to do much more touch up in GIMP than I'm already doing.

I appreciate your help but only drawing interests me. Not photoshopping.

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 Post subject: Re: Thuro's "Art" + {Open} The UESP portrait shop
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Well done. I like your Farore and Female Shepard drawings especially.
I was going to give you a picture of myself to practice on but it seems I can not. Oh well...

If I can give you one thing from my art experience, it would be the one thing my art teacher used to tell me that got my mind racing to prove her wrong and my ever failure to do so made me a better artist: "Lines don't exist"


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It's not really a Photoshop thing; it's more of a scanning and photographing thing, since the way you photograph your image determines how much 'shop work (if any) you need to make your drawings legible. (ideally, you want your photograph to be legible enough that all you have to do is resize it) If you really like uploading your work to the internet, proper scanning technique doesn't take too long to learn, and you'll have far better looking results. But to each his own!

The hands are looking good. You've got a natural eye for those things, and they're one of the hardest things to draw; I know a ton of professional artists who try every trick in the compositional book to avoid drawing hands.


And, oh, right, sorry! Wrong picture. Well, you get the idea - it is possible to use GIMP/shop to compare your drawing to your reference directly. You don't HAVE to have proportions EXACTLY right for everything, of course, but it's a very easy and very accurate way to identify where and how your drawing diverges from it's reference.

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 Post subject: Re: Thuro's "Art" + {Open} The UESP portrait shop
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why not use a pen and ink, if you aren't using an eraser ?

a nice graphics pen or even a fountain pen (my favourite)


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Didn't I mention I started using an eraser for my portraits? I just figured I was just being prideful not using an eraser. These are better because of it. Anyways I drew these for fun.

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Well I appreciate that Weasel but I was just eyeballing a drawing. Tomorrow I will try drawing a cloak from a photo.

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Drew this but my primary project right now is an Angel WIP.

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Worked on this forever. Hated the way it came out.


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Well I drew these but the photo's came out blurry. But I'll post them anyways.

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Again we applaud your cloth drawing abilities, especially the first image, right side. I also like the minimalist, monochromatic batman. That turned out real nice.

I agree that your angel picture isn't quite right. A fair drawing to be sure, but some how the proportions aren't quite right, and I can't lay my finger on what exactly it is. I think that it is from the hair being too "poofy", and the waist too narrow. Women are curvy critters, 'specially in the hips, and yours came out a little flat. Also, the left hand appears to be too small.

To be honest, I look forward to coming to the Arts section to see the new works you have posted. There is always some form of noticeable improvement, and seeing the variety of things drawn is also quite impressive. By mixing up the subject to be drawn, you gain good perspective and understanding.

I know it is a very cliched well wishing, but I think it applies to you very well: keep up the good work!


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Allow me to reiterate on Matt's post.

Take a look at this link, Thuro. This is done by our own Lady Nerevar, a drawing she did in a series called "30 Days of Skyrim", where she released one image each day in the month leading to the game's release. In the link posted you see the initial "skeleton" layout (image 2 in the collage), done in lighter shades of pencil, to help get the gist, and positioning of all the elements down and pat. Later, she came behind and began "solidifying", if you will, those lines into a more finished product.

This is what matt is referring too. First you mentally form the image (if you are doing an original work), and from there rough out a very light initial draft. Such light lines allow for you to erase them later on, as mat pointed out. If you use a paint program to edit pictures, like Lady Nerevar does, you don't have to be so picky about being so light with your rough draft. Merely edit the out later.

Drawing light, at least for me, was a frustrating thing to learn. But I found it helps to deal in many shorter strokes, bending at the elbow and NOT the wrist or fingers. And from my experience from calligraphy, it helps to use your WHOLE ARM to draw/write. It is a lot awkward at first, but once you get it down, it really makes things a lot easier.


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I feel like using an editing program is cheating is cheating. And the Angel was...special. Usually the images I draw aren't that large and I just draw it. I can't really explain my method. I just do it; no method. Althought with faces I usually start with the nose.

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Concerning your portraits, particularly faces, I could a offer a little advice. I'm not entirely sure if any of these points have been mentioned before, but whatevs.

-Depending on how realistic you want the drawing use lines and shading differently. I believe the concept is called lost and found lines. If you want a more cartoony look, use very bold lines with little emphasis on shading. However, if you want a realistic and photographic look, I suggest you use shading to define the figure and not the lines. For example Not a line can be found, and yet, you get a sense of the object being a 3d ball. Do this with the lips, nose, chin, and everything if you want a realistic view. You actually already did this when you draw clothing. The shading you made defined the cloth. Experiment with other subjects and see how they work as well.

-If you do use graphite, charcoal, or anything that can be erased, use the eraser. Not to chiefly erase, but to blend and create more vivid shading. Erasers are excellent smudgers and should be looked at as such. Don't see your eraser as a corrector; rather, look at it is another tool just like your pencil or whatever you're using.

I haven't drawn much in a while so if I think of anything else I'll post. I hope I don't sound like a super critic.

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